Antutu is still used by Chinese phone makers to show how powerful their new devices are. We all know that numbers and real world performance are sometimes very different, so don’t be too shocked by these slightly lower than expected OP2 Antutu scores.
It’s quite common now to see a Chinese smartphone score over 50,000 points in Antutu, but when we talk about a device as exciting as the OnePlus 2 some were hoping to see something a little more mind-blowing from the device.
As we already know the OP2 will run a Snapdragon 810 second generation chip which is thought to be better than the original 810 with less of an overheating issue and better all round performance. Still OnePlus aren’t taking any risks and will run the chip at just 1.8Ghz to keep the phone cool and performance as brisk as we should need.
In terms of Antutu benchmarks this results in a score of 51,460 from the second generation OnePlus with 4GB RAM (if the screenshot turns out to be genuine that is). What that means for real life performance though is very little.
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Seeing the issues that Xiaomi and other companies have had with the optimisation of the Snapdragon 810, the choice of chip in the OP2 is a concern to many. Let us just hope that the OnePlus team have made a better job of optimizing this troubled chip for the sake of their fans.
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2015 Q3/Q4 SD-810 flagship scoring below 60,000 on AnTuTu? WILL NOT BUY.
Antutu is completely meaningless, but how many phones have scored above 60,000 on Antutu? I have used one phone that scored over it, the Galaxy S6 and it is really not that much better in real world usage than my Mi4 with SD 801 that scored around 30,000. It is slightly faster in some regards, in others it is slower.
If Antutu is the metric you use to determine whether you will or won’t buy a new phone I feel sorry for you. Just for fun I went and checked, only two phones so far have officially been tested above 60K both by Samsung (S6 and Edge) which despite having the same components have wildly different scores. Guess James won’t be buying anything but Samsung this year.
I think he’s being sarcastic.
Lol I hope so! Antutu posts always annoy me so much that my common sense and sarcasm meter go out the window!
And judging by his attacking comment I think its safe to say it wasn’t a joke, he actually believes the difference between 50,000 and 60,000 means something lol.
Agree totally. 🙂
A 50000 score implies heavy throttling on OPT’s part. That *should* worry you, if anything OPT (if it throttles far enough) it may be performing worse than OPO.
It *is* worrisome if “your” new flagship in some important ways is a downgrade than your last one (for example in sustained performance for one)
A 50000 score doesn’t imply anything other than an arbitrary number. Throttling depends on the processor used as well the software involved. If every phone ran the same hardware and the same software, Antutu would might be relevant (even that is questionable). There are flagships that score 50,000 and have no throttling whatsoever such as the Galaxy Note 4 and Meizu MX5.
If an arbitrary number on a benchmark is how you judge “your” new flagship that is what is worrisome. You should judge based on real world performance. That 50,000 doesn’t tell you a thing about how it actually performs on a day to day basis. The Galaxy S6 and Edge have a score difference of almost 10K on that test, they have the same exact hardware. Does that mean the Edge suffers from throttling because there is such a huge gap between them? Or does it mean the test is useless and not a basis for any performance measures?
Exynos 7420 uses the same 4xA57 and 4xA53 at almost the exact clockrate.
Antutu is a bad test but not so bad as to have a device at 50000 score being as fast (in raw numbers) as one scoring ~70000
In Snapdragon 810’s case a 50000 score implies heavy throttling, period. The actual score is/should be 60k+
And if a SoC throttles during the (short) duration of a test, imagine what would happen in long sessions (gaming, or apps that make the SoC working overtime).
Throttling during benchmarking is a red-flag, I think buyers should avoid SD810 based phones….
The difference for the 7420 is it is built using 14nm processing. The 810 uses 20nm which is horrible for anything performance related.
I think customers should avoid SD 810 as well but it has nothing to do with fake numbers on a benchmark. I have seen scores for phones with the 810 around the 60K mark (all of them by individual users on forums) and all of them report the same throttling and heating issues.
The difference for the 7420 is it is built using 14nm processing. The 810 uses 20nm which is horrible for anything performance related.
I think customers should avoid SD 810 as well but it has nothing to do with fake numbers on a benchmark. I have seen scores for phones with the 810 around the 60K mark (all of them by individual users on forums) and all of them report the same throttling and heating issues.
Ok let me put it in another way. A 60k score may not prove that no throttling is present but a 50k score definitely proves that one exists.
BTW Antutu numbers are not fake, they’re just bad methodology, I mean most synthetics have these problem. You cannot add apples (CPU perf) to oranges (GPU) to apricots (EMMC) and then have (as as result) an aggregate score. This scores -really- tells very little, but still it can show throttling … which is my point.
Fake was a bad choice of words. I know what Antutu is designed for and I know what it measures. I just dont agree its results have any measure of performance. It can show throttling or it can show an error in the phones software which is the reason for a lower score, or it can be just the actual score for that phones setup. You are basing everything based on the ideal range for the 810, which is a number set by Qualcomm in absolotuley ideal environments for that particular SoC. I have used phones that scored a lot lower than the ideal number, there was no throttling involved. That is my point. It can very well be throttling but it is not an absolute guarantee.
Fake was a bad choice of words. I know what Antutu is designed for and I know what it measures. I just dont agree its results have any measure of performance. It can show throttling or it can show an error in the phones software which is the reason for a lower score, or it can be just the actual score for that phones setup. You are basing everything based on the ideal range for the 810, which is a number set by Qualcomm in absolotuley ideal environments for that particular SoC. I have used phones that scored a lot lower than the ideal number, there was no throttling involved. That is my point. It can very well be throttling but it is not an absolute guarantee.
Well, I have found that phones (or ARM boards) with the same hardware scoring on the same range. For examply SD810 boards (unthrottled) score ~62k-65k , ~50k is waaaay down, it’s 30% down which not just explained by Antutu’s “suckiness” additionally (to Antutu being a baad test) there must be another reason.
BTW every phone using SD810 scoring on low 50k throttles, just look which phones do so and then merely googling those phones’ name with “throttling” or “overheating” is going to give you proportionally many more results than any others’…
Well, I have found that phones (or ARM boards) with the same hardware scoring on the same range. For examply SD810 boards (unthrottled) score ~62k-65k , ~50k is waaaay down, it’s 30% down which not just explained by Antutu’s “suckiness” additionally (to Antutu being a baad test) there must be another reason.
BTW every phone using SD810 scoring on low 50k throttles, just look which phones do so and then merely googling those phones’ name with “throttling” or “overheating” is going to give you proportionally many more results than any others’…
Ok let me put it in another way. A 60k score may not prove that no throttling is present but a 50k score definitely proves that one exists.
BTW Antutu numbers are not fake, they’re just bad methodology, I mean most synthetics have these problem. You cannot add apples (CPU perf) to oranges (GPU) to apricots (EMMC) and then have (as as result) an aggregate score. This scores -really- tells very little, but still it can show throttling … which is my point.
Well, the technical validity of AnTuTu can certainly be debated upon, but the only thing that truly is meaningless here is your over-bearing presence here on GizChina, as it has been for a while (and Max Power too, although his writing isn’t as sensational, emotional or pretentiously authoritative).
Intolerant, attacking people who have a slightest differences in opinion, repeatedly demonstrated Mediatek-fanboy-ism, coming across as an irate pseudo-intellectual who believes that the only correct point of view is the one you hold.
I was about to write a small piece on explaining my point of view for AnTuTu, on how it isn’t “entirely” meaningless – but then that’s not really the issue I want to address here. The larger issue is you, and a few other folks who think that your stand on technological choices (and many personal for that matter) are the only ones that are correct, and everyone else is just wrong and “ignorant”.
– Demanding a very high AnTuTu score is incorrect
– Choosing to pay top dollar for only a branded phone is wrong
– MediaTek makes processors as good as QualComm
– and what not.
And here’s the thing – those are points open to debate – it’s fine to have differing opinions on these. But it’s not fine to be an over-bearing asshole whose sole purpose in life is to go about “correcting” people based on your own preconceived notions which you feel is absolutely right.
Try to be a little less sensational and emotional about these issues, which it seems, you hold quite closely to your heart. It’s people and their choices and beliefs – trust me, all your efforts on these GizChina forums will not make a jack of a difference.
I lost you at Mediatek fanboyism. Anyone who really follows me knows I don’t take sides when it comes to SoC’s. I also have never talked down about paying top dollar in fact just the other day I was explaining why people pay top dollar for Huawei and Vivo. Nice try buddy! Instead of being an overbearing asshole trying to force your opinions on people, Maybe try actually reading my comments next time. You might learn something!
All my efforts on these forums have led me to get a brand new Meizu MX5 free of charge and Maxpower a brand new One Plus One free of charge. I would say both of those phones will make a huge difference in our lives. We have also helped numerous people find the right smartphone for them which is the reason so many people voted for us to win those phones. We have made more of a difference here than you can ever dream of. If we were “over bearing” assholes people here wouldn’t have voted for us. Go back and read the comments in that giveaway forum and you will see the majority of the people like us here.
I have actually seen more people call you out for being childish, immature and an asshole than anyone else here. Maybe work on correcting your own issues before coming after someone like me. Not sure how Max Power got lumped into this he is one of the nicest people on here.
“I also have never talked down about paying top dollar in fact just the other day I was explaining why people pay top dollar for Huawei and Vivo”
You’re a liar.
http://i.imgur.com/WZhJMWA.jpg?1
“Maybe work on correcting your own issues before coming after someone like me.”
Someone like you? What are you, a Nobel prize winner in phone recommendations? Don’t let your ego get to your rather little head.
Hmm let’s see I mention the brands Vivo and Huaweii both which sell some of the most expensive phones available but yet that is me talking down about people paying top dollar? That’s a good one, you got any more jokes?
Now let me explain to what I was saying in that comment seeing as comprehension isn’t your strong point apparently. Their is no difference between the premium brands of China and the premium brands of Japan, Korea and US. Vivo and Huaweii’s phones sell for just as much as Samsung, LG and Apple. Keep trying please, this is hilarious. Or better yet just point out where I lied. Did I not say just last week that people will pay more for a Vivo and Huaweii for a certain reason? Not sure what the above post even has to do with my comment, it never mentions anything to do with price in my comment. Read and then comprehend, it will save you a lot of time.
I am still looking forward to the comments that show my “Mediatek” fanboyism. Please post them for all of us to read and enjoy. I can find several where I said I don’t get up in the SoC wars, but guess you missed out on those. There were also several where I called out MTK and Qualcomm for bad SoC’s and praised them both for good SoC’s. Guess you missed those too.
I think the Chinese premium brands are cheaper (in fact much cheaper in Oz) compare to the likes of Apple, HTC, Samsung or Sony.
It all depends on where you buy it and which brands we are talking about. Huaweii, Gionee and Vivo all sell phones that have a retail price of over $500. For people who don’t have an official store in their country the price can creep up past $6-700 for those same phones. I have seen the LG G4 for instance as cheap as $450 in some stores.
Here in Thailand it is cheaper to buy a Sony Z3, LG G4 and Samsung S6 than it is to buy a Huawei P8.
i should just stay aside here, but since you mentioned me i want to tell you just a couple of things.
Speaking for myself:
whatever i write here is simply my opinion and I always try to argue it.
I’m not expecting everybody agree with it, i actually hope someone with a different point of view to argue with me to show a different prospective.
that’s called discussion.
other readers might benefit as well. that’s called pluralism.
i actually own a Qualcomm phone so i don’t get why you think i could be a Mediatek fanboy.
i might have mocked their last 64 SoCs and spoken well about last Mediatek SoC but that’s not enough to point me as a fanboy since i argued those OPINIONS of mine.
i might have used some sarcasm into my comments, i agree with you. so what?
that’s my style, i genuinely mock my family and friends all the time while on a debate.
Is this wrong?
it’s just a way i am, i don’t think it’s wrong at all, if someone is overly touchy i usually adjust myself to the person.
I’m not expecting everyone to understand it.
you can keep your opinion about me, that’s not really a big deal.
I’ll keep try being myself, im simply a commenter here and i own nothing to anybody.
you can ignore, downvote or even reply with offense, it won’t effect my life at all, as it doesn’t effect it when someone reply, upvote, or agree with everything i said (I’m not trying to feed my ego here).
at the end of the day we are all wasting some good time speaking of something that we all love.
cheerios James
+1 Don’t change the way you are.
I agree with your views!
That’s why I will never buy iPhones, they only have 8 Megapixels! My UMi eMax is better because it has 13 Megapixels!
a 3mp cammera can theoreticaly make better pictures than a 13Mp one. I guess the Iphone 6 (8mp) cammera make better pictures than you’r UMi eMax..
But 13 is bigger than 8, bigger numbers have to mean better!
Apple camera is better optimised than umi emax but i also habe umi emax and it is good.
That was sarcasm, making fun of the people who think a high antutu score means a better phone.
Apple actually has one of the best cameras available on any phone. Microsoft has some very good ones as well and they mostly use 8mp cameras these days. The reason is both companies have invested heavily in quality optics (Carl Zeiss for Micrsoft) and have optimized their software.
There’s no such thing as camera optimization I’m afraid. (a) Camera just *is*, it’s a hard part, once it’s there nothing else matters.
Truth of the matter is that iphone’s hardware is actually high end. Few big pixels are often better than many small ones. iPhone has 8 million quality pixels, many of the rest may have 20 million rubbish ones, there’s not even a comparison. An iphone camera is genuinely better most of the times.
BTW the same is true with iphone’s dual core. Its IPC (instructions per clock) are off-the charts, that’s the opposite than low end, it’s powerful where it matters. In CPU performance the chart from important feature to less important ones is as follows “IPC > Clockrate > Core count”
So even in that iphone may win. Despite what people say, iphone’s are (mostly) high end hardware and they actually do win benchmarks (those that matter). Just look at iphone’s Geekbench single score, even (almost) a year after its release, it’s the king… with 5s (2 years after its release) being the 2nd best phone in that category.
A lot of people that I know base their buying decisions on Antutu scores Gives them bragging rights. Guess if it’s really useless then it won’t be so popular. It’s a marketing thing. If it will get people to buy their products then they have succeeded.
Thats about all it is, marketing. Phones which have the score can have drastically different results in day to day usage. Phones which have lower scores can perform better. And then there are companies like Huaweii who admit to cheating the system to get a higher score. Benchmarks can be useful but they are not the be all, end all of performance.
Snapdragon 820 scores 85,000+
Elephone Vowney !!! fastcardtech….. better ?
Umm, all this buzz around Antutu scores reminds me of an old story : three men at a bar are talking about their cars. The first one owns a Porsche : “I can drive at 250 km/h!”. The second one owns a Ferrari: “I can drive at 300 km/h!”. The third one owns a Lada (or a Tata, or whatever is slow in your country, even a Volvo for MaxPower 😛 -Edit: balcobomber actually- ) : “Mine can run at 90 km/h, which is fast enough for my daily travels, provided I’m limited to 50 km/h inside the city limits.”
Come on guys!
I am the Volvo driver not Max! And my Volvo S60 with 300hp can top out at about 270 km/h. But unless I take it to the autobahn I don’t see myself ever using or needing all that power. Which is the point your trying to make lol.
Haha! sorry for the mistake, my joke is dead 🙁
Anyway, you got my point 😉
I was able to get my old Volvo (C30) up to about 130 mph on a lonely highway in Texas. Not a car in sight, except for the state trooper hiding behind an overpass lol. Luckily I was in the military at the time and he let me go with a warning.
Yeah, I was joking: Volvo are good cars and ever were. Never owned one (I’m more BMW-minded), but I have respect for them anyway.
The only German car I have ever owned was a VW GTI Mark 6. I have always been more of a hot hatchback kind of person.
🙂
+1 for BMW.
they have at least 10.000
Antutu points more than Volvos
So -I guess- what you’re saying is that most of these phone are rubbish. I mean we’re better off with a TCL mid-ranger (M3G 3S, for example) which costs 1/4th from everything else.
I don’t disagree, but something tells me that high-end phones would -still- be visible better even though they may not be so in important ways (TCL is running 8xA53s, this one runs a throttly 4xA57 + 4xA53)