Samsung Display looks to expand its AMOLED customers for 2016 with Xiaomi, Huawei and Vivo mentioned as possible curved display customers.
Korean media are reporting that Xiaomi and Huawei could be joining Vivo as customers of Samsung Display’s curved glass panels. The Super AMOLED curved panels have already been found on the Samsung Galaxy S6 and S7, and are set to be shown off on the latest Vivo phone tomorrow.
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In addition to Vivo, Huawei is rumoured to be pricing up the new tech and Xiaomi are labeled as a possible customer too.
The fact that Xiaomi are mentioned suggests to us that the Xiaomi Mi Note 2 could be inline for the curved display treatment as this is the only premium Xiaomi phone left to launch for 2016.
It’s surprising for Xiaomi as they usually use JDI and Sharp for their displays.
Time to dive in the Amoled business…
JDI actually is manufacturing OLED’s they are supposed to be ready by next year. JDI is a joint venture between Sony, Toshiba and Hitachi. Most LCD displays coming out of Japan are manufactured by them or Sharp.
ikr.
Wasn’t sharp getting bought by Foxconn or something?
They are in negotiations.
No no one wants to buy them because of un finished contracts that they won’t be able to deliver as no one wants to pay for those.
Yeah but Samsung has been making AMOLED displays for years now which probably means they cost less and are of better quality since. That’s usually how tech works. Also if you want a curve screen they are probably your best bet. I am just happy Samsung is prepared to sell their tech and not just sue everyone that wants to copy their idea.
Not really. Matrix Samsung used from S2 is inferior in display quality & I am certain that they aren’t cheap.
Actuality I hope that LG’s plastic base Amoled’s will be good & cost less. I don’t know how far did JDI got with it but probably still lagging behind.
S2? Are wet talking about a 5 year old phone. Also the sites that only test phone displays have been saying for the last two years that Samsung displays are the best in the world. Also burn in has been more an issue on LG’s plastic oled displays then on Samsung’s devices. That it’s the main reason the flagship phones still don’t use their pOLED displays.
No no they switched to new matrix after S2. Best & priciest in the world. Well for Chinese brand’s the part priciest won’t come along. I mentioned plastic based Amoled because that cuts the price down 25~30% & I mentioned LG as they stick to traditional matrix still which by the way is better. I am certain that JDI will perfect it tough time as their is an uprising demand for Amoled’s as they save some juice & battery life is becoming more then a problem on newer MHz hungry SoC’s. Simply cutting down biggest consumer (display) for 25~30% is the easiest way to extend battery life, not that I believe that any of SoC manufacturers will stop raping silicone with to high oscillating frequencies…
Samsung Display is a separate entity from Samsung Mobile. Samsung has sold their tech for years, Meizu is one such company that has always used Samsung supplied components from processors to memory to displays. Samsung sues companies that they think violate their patents, it’s their rights as a patent holder and they are no different than any other company. If someone violate a Xiaomi partner, Xiaomi would sue.
As for costs without seeing actual BOM’s its tough to say which one costs less. JDI has been making displays for years as well and is actually the largest supplier for small to medium sized LCD displays (phones, tablets, navigation, laptops etc).
Yes I know Samsung is made of many divisions(for God sake they even have division that makes weapons for that military). However I am pretty sure they are close enough that one division won’t sue another divisions customer just because they are using the same parts.
Samsung doesn’t sue for using their parts. They sue for using their patents without permission. Samsung has an entire component division that anyone can order from.
I’m really thinking if I should skip the Mi5 and wait for the Mi Note 2 instead. I love the 5.7″ screen on my Note Pro. 5.15 inch on the Mi5 is really small. Especially now that the Note2 may even come with a curved screen.
Get a Meizu Pro 5
doubdt a mi-fan will want a meizu
I am a huge Xiaomi fan, love my Meizu tho.
I was really thinking about getting one, honestly, i like the iphoney design a lot, but I just dont know if I can work with Flyme, as I am really in love with MIUI and all its features.
Flyme and MIUI aren’t all that different to tell you the truth. In fact Flyme has some features I actually prefer over MIUI.
Really? I always thought that these phones only had a home button and the 2 other android keys are displayed on the screen, which would be a nogo for me
Actually I had a MX4 for a while and you can turn off the smart bar and just navigate by swiping up from the home button for back (on the new Meizus you just soft tap the home button I believe for back). You can swipe up anywhere else to bring up multitasking. That setup actually works quite nicely. Miss the swipe up to wake of the MX4 but at the end of the day I prefer MIUI more with their stock apps and the iOS look of the UI.
Overall I do prefer MIUI as well for the same reasons, their stock apps are some of the best available and I like their support better. No one even comes close to them with software support. But I do love swiping to go back in Flyme.
Meizu has a home button that does everything. For instance if you click it acts as a home button, if you swipe it, it acts as a back button. It’s actually incredibly convenient, they don’t have any native on screen buttons.
I really hope Meizu Pro 5 mini exist, but it is not 🙁
Its pretty much been confirmed it doesn’t. But you never know maybe they will make a Pro 6 mini.
downgrading to a smaller screen is like from heaven to hell; you dont know why you are putting up with the wrath of Satan when you could be enjoying much finer things in life with the gods.
BTW that’s why I mostly use my tablet. I find it hArd to understand how people can use their phones (of any size) for extended periods. A phone can only be fine for basic uses, every time I go from my tablet to a phone I feel claustrophobic.
Of course one has to if he’s on a place that he cannot use a tablet, that’s why my serious phone is a note 4 (the only one that kind of replaces my tablet)… but even that seems claustrophobic to me.
I love small (real) phones too, but mostly for simple uses, if a note is hard for extended use, I can imagine your pain. …
I love big (real) phones, I can use my 5.5 inch comfortably all day long, the only pain I ever experience is if I run out of battery.
A real phone is one that is primarily used one-handed. Else it is a phablet … rather simple definitions, it’s not hard to get them confused…
I primairly use my 5.5″ phone one handed, so by your “simple” definition (the real definition of smartphone doesn’t mention one handed use) my 5.5″ phone is a “real phone”.
You are you, primarily is “most people”. Anything more than 140x70mm is hardly used one – handed and if we’re to be frank the 130x65mm limit would be more apt. I.e. the difference between iphone 5s and 6 (which is why apple’s studies showed the need of one handed mode on iPhone 6, but not on 5s)…
You are not “most people” either. You are you, those are YOUR limits, not everyones.
Apple’s internal studies are “most people”
Also a studies of Ars technica posted a couple of years back is “most people” (when I’d find the link, I’ll post it here).
You know anecdotes don’t matter in science. Phablets are great btw, the only evolution of smartphones that made sense. My main phone is a phablet too, and I call it a phone too, of course it’s not a real phone…
Big phone usage just became popular in the last few years so studies from a few years back would have been based on people who were used to using smaller devices. Which brings us to apple. Apple’s internal studies are most iPhone users. For years iPhone users only had a few choices of size and it was always under 5 inches. It’s a biased and flawed study from the start. Apple released a 5.5 inch phone last year because they admitted based on their studies Android fans preferred bigger devices and the only way for them to attract Android users was to offer a bigger screen.
Smartphone:
“A smartphone (or smart phone) is a mobile phone with an operating system. Smartphones typically include the features of a phone with those of another popular consumer device, such as a personal digital assistant, a digital camera, a media player or a GPS navigation unit.”
That’s the actual recognized definition of a “real” smartphone. It’s very broad and there is no mention of size requirements. Even some tablets could fit that definition (and I do know a few people that use a tablet as a phone). Your personal definition is a certain size, you have a very hard time separating your personal views from reality. This isn’t the first time we have had this discussion.
No I don’t, I’ve actually studied linguistics for a year, most people here didn’t, I’m not offering you an opinion merely what the existence of the world “phablet” means to the word “phone” (rather than smartphone to be frank).
The word “phone” is capped even though its initial view was that of “a device making calls”. The definition that it is “the device that it makes calls” is linguistically obsolete because of how broad it became, instead it got replaced by “handheld devices”. How big of a handheld device? Big enough to not be a “phone tablet”. What’s a phone-tablet? “A handheld tablet that makes calls”. Again I’m giving you the linguistically correct definitions not the ones of the dictionary as those often contradict each other.
The only difference between two handheld devices btw is usability. A tablet is used two handed, a phone one-handed simple enough definitions. It’s like telling me that there is no object, or a subject in most sentences because people are not aware of using them when they’re talking, or because their dictionary definition mostly used for those terms is the relevant one…
I’ll tell you of it once again, this one slowly. Using a bigger device does not spontaneously make your hand bigger. Even if you use it one handed (your phone) it’s mostly because you move your palm quite and even then not a lot of the screen is reachable. Such (up and down movement) is often done with the help of the 2nd hand.
There is a reason Apple returns to 4 inches, it’s a more anatomically correct size even though it sucks for content consumption (people would feel the difference to its older brothers)…
I’ll tell you it once again. You can’t use a bigger device comfortable one handed, that doesn’t mean others cant.
Well Apple seems to think that nobody is , Samsung too, by making S7 almost as small as S4 (btw I don’t support Apple’s move, make a phone smaller by minimizing the bezels and by implementing palm rejection tech, not by minimizing the one thing that gives usability to a phone, its screen).
That would explain Apple making a 5.5 inch phone after years of telling everyone above 5 inches was not needed. And now there are talks of Apple adding another large phone as well. Samsung has two smaller flagships and two larger ones (Edge + and Note)
Of course they make big phones (a.k.a. phablets), they’re incredibly useful. My main device is a phablet.
I was talking about linguistics here. There are the real phones and then there aew faux phones, people like the faux phones, there’s a niche who like real phones (because they are wilful) but they would soon eclipse. Good to have a fast to operate device, but better to have one that is actually useful.
Of course the best is to have both (that’s what Samsung’s trying to do by making Edge so incredibly small for a 5.5 incher, it’s almost as wide as S5 despite having 4 inches over it).
By definition they are all real phones.
No they’re not, for the simple reason that a linguistically useful definition is one that does not contradict itself. If there is any difference between a tablet and a phone it should be size, therefore a cut-off size should be found.
According to Apple it’s somewhere around 4.5 and 4.7 inches (I would say 130x65mm is more specific size as it measures actual dimensions of the device).
The reason that I insist referencing Apple is because they’re the only ones bothering to make usability tests and sometimes even publish their results. They’re some of the few companies doing real science (instead of mere engineering) … anyway.
Iphone 5s and below (most probably 5se too) lack one-handed mode, iphone 6 and up have it, that is because according to their studies somewhere in between exists a cut-off point. BTW Miui does that too with setting an upper limit at 4 inches for its one-handed mode (even though I suspect the limit is closer to 4.5-4.7 inches depending on bezels’ … abundance).
I refer to sizes of 5 inches and up as “faux” because they are what we used to call phablets (and what we’d still call phablets if “real phones” were around). That’s the linguistically sound way of doing things.
BTW I’ve referred multiple times to the fact that I’m not a big fan of real phones, they’re on their way out for a reason. A tablet of any size is a more useful size, especially if they found ways to make it more pocketable. So the closer we are to tablet sizes the better for usefulness…
Yeah I have a Mi Note as I was waiting for the Mi5 and didn’t want to wait any longer. Whilst on one hand it feels like the Mi Note is way too big for my hand, on the other I may end up not being able to cope with the small screen size. I hope the Mi Note gets the same treatment in terms of specs and that it either keeps the same bezel/screen to body ratio or gets smaller bezels. I feel the Mi5 bezels are pretty big.
Really struggling with storage atm:
4GB Apps
3GB Pictures/Videos
3GB Audio
1GB Cached Data + Other files
Just under 2GB/16GB left…
It’s not. And it’s not downgrading.
I’m using Moto X (first generation, 4.7 inch) and switch to iphon 5s (because the size, 4inch). I have no problem the size, but have problem with the OS.
I admire your ability to enjoy small screens.
You have problems with the Android OS?
Not with Android, I love Android. I have problem with iOS.
iphone 5/5s is perfect size for me, but I don’t like iOS.
I love 5.5-6 inches for a phone, anything less would be a huge downgrade for me. I could never go back to using under 5.
a good thing , right ?
If you like curved AMOLED’s yes.
It’s surprising for Xiaomi as they usually use JDI and Sharp for their displays.
Time to dive in the Amoled business…
JDI actually is manufacturing OLED’s they are supposed to be ready by next year. JDI is a joint venture between Sony, Toshiba and Hitachi. Most LCD displays coming out of Japan are manufactured by them or Sharp.
ikr.
Wasn’t sharp getting bought by Foxconn or something?
They are in negotiations.
Not really. Matrix Samsung used from S2 is inferior in display quality & I am certain that they aren’t cheap.
Actuality I hope that LG’s plastic base Amoled’s will be good & cost less. I don’t know how far did JDI got with it but probably still lagging behind.
No no one wants to buy them because of un finished contracts that they won’t be able to deliver as no one wants to pay for those.
No no they switched to new matrix after S2. Best & priciest in the world. Well for Chinese brand’s the part priciest won’t come along. I mentioned plastic based Amoled because that cuts the price down 25~30% & I mentioned LG as they stick to traditional matrix still which by the way is better. I am certain that JDI will perfect it tough time as their is an uprising demand for Amoled’s as they save some juice & battery life is becoming more then a problem on newer MHz hungry SoC’s. Simply cutting down biggest consumer (display) for 25~30% is the easiest way to extend battery life, not that I believe that any of SoC manufacturers will stop raping silicone with to high oscillating frequencies…
Samsung Display is a separate entity from Samsung Mobile. Samsung has sold their tech for years, Meizu is one such company that has always used Samsung supplied components from processors to memory to displays. Samsung sues companies that they think violate their patents, it’s their rights as a patent holder and they are no different than any other company. If someone violate a Xiaomi partner, Xiaomi would sue.
As for costs without seeing actual BOM’s its tough to say which one costs less. JDI has been making displays for years as well and is actually the largest supplier for small to medium sized LCD displays (phones, tablets, navigation, laptops etc).
Samsung doesn’t sue for using their parts. They sue for using their patents without permission. Samsung has an entire component division that anyone can order from.
I’m really thinking if I should skip the Mi5 and wait for the Mi Note 2 instead. I love the 5.7″ screen on my Note Pro. 5.15 inch on the Mi5 is really small. Especially now that the Note2 may even come with a curved screen.
Get a Meizu Pro 5
downgrading to a smaller screen is like from heaven to hell; you dont know why you are putting up with the wrath of Satan when you could be enjoying much finer things in life with the gods.
doubdt a mi-fan will want a meizu
I am a huge Xiaomi fan, love my Meizu tho.
I was really thinking about getting one, honestly, i like the iphoney design a lot, but I just dont know if I can work with Flyme, as I am really in love with MIUI and all its features.
Flyme and MIUI aren’t all that different to tell you the truth. In fact Flyme has some features I actually prefer over MIUI.
Really? I always thought that these phones only had a home button and the 2 other android keys are displayed on the screen, which would be a nogo for me
Actually I had a MX4 for a while and you can turn off the smart bar and just navigate by swiping up from the home button for back (on the new Meizus you just soft tap the home button I believe for back). You can swipe up anywhere else to bring up multitasking. That setup actually works quite nicely. Miss the swipe up to wake of the MX4 but at the end of the day I prefer MIUI more with their stock apps and the iOS look of the UI.
BTW that’s why I mostly use my tablet. I find it hArd to understand how people can use their phones (of any size) for extended periods. A phone can only be fine for basic uses, every time I go from my tablet to a phone I feel claustrophobic.
Of course one has to if he’s on a place that he cannot use a tablet, that’s why my serious phone is a note 4 (the only one that kind of replaces my tablet)… but even that seems claustrophobic to me.
I love small (real) phones too, but mostly for simple uses, if a note is hard for extended use, I can imagine your pain…
Yeah I have a Mi Note as I was waiting for the Mi5 and didn’t want to wait any longer. Whilst on one hand it feels like the Mi Note is way too big for my hand, on the other I may end up not being able to cope with the small screen size. I hope the Mi Note gets the same treatment in terms of specs and that it either keeps the same bezel/screen to body ratio or gets smaller bezels. I feel the Mi5 bezels are pretty big.
Really struggling with storage atm:
4GB Apps
3GB Pictures/Videos
3GB Audio
1GB Cached Data + Other files
Just under 2GB/16GB left…
Meizu has a home button that does everything. For instance if you click it acts as a home button, if you swipe it, it acts as a back button. It’s actually incredibly convenient, they don’t have any native on screen buttons.
It’s not. And it’s not downgrading.
I’m using Moto X (first generation, 4.7 inch) and switch to iphon 5s (because the size, 4inch). I have no problem the size, but have problem with the OS.
I really hope Meizu Pro 5 mini exist, but it is not 🙁
I admire your ability to enjoy small screens.
You have problems with the Android OS?
Not with Android, I love Android. I have problem with iOS.
iphone 5/5s is perfect size for me, but I don’t like iOS.
Its pretty much been confirmed it doesn’t. But you never know maybe they will make a Pro 6 mini.
I love 5.5-6 inches for a phone, anything less would be a huge downgrade for me. I could never go back to using under 5.
I love big (real) phones, I can use my 5.5 inch comfortably all day long, the only pain I ever experience is if I run out of battery.
Overall I do prefer MIUI as well for the same reasons, their stock apps are some of the best available and I like their support better. No one even comes close to them with software support. But I do love swiping to go back in Flyme.
A real phone is one that is primarily used one-handed. Else it is a phablet … rather simple definitions, it’s not hard to get them confused…
I primairly use my 5.5″ phone one handed, so by your “simple” definition (the real definition of smartphone doesn’t mention one handed use) my 5.5″ phone is a “real phone”.
You are you, primarily is “most people”. Anything more than 140x70mm is hardly used one – handed and if we’re to be frank the 130x65mm limit would be more apt. I.e. the difference between iphone 5s and 6 (which is why apple’s studies showed the need of one handed mode on iPhone 6, but not on 5s)…
You are not “most people” either. You are you, those are YOUR limits, not everyones.
Visit any Asian city and take the subway you will see millions of people using 5.5-6 inch phones one handed.
Apple’s internal studies are “most people”
Also a studies of Ars technica posted a couple of years back is “most people” (when I’d find the link, I’ll post it here).
You know anecdotes don’t matter in science. Phablets are great btw, the only evolution of smartphones that made sense. My main phone is a phablet too, and I call it a phone too, of course it’s not a real phone…
Big phone usage just became popular in the last few years so studies from a few years back would have been based on people who were used to using smaller devices. Which brings us to apple. Apple’s internal studies are most iPhone users. For years iPhone users only had a few choices of size and it was always under 5 inches. It’s a biased and flawed study from the start. Apple released a 5.5 inch phone last year because they admitted based on their studies Android fans preferred bigger devices and the only way for them to attract Android users was to offer a bigger screen.
Smartphone:
“A smartphone (or smart phone) is a mobile phone with an operating system. Smartphones typically include the features of a phone with those of another popular consumer device, such as a personal digital assistant, a digital camera, a media player or a GPS navigation unit.”
That’s the actual recognized definition of a “real” smartphone. It’s very broad and there is no mention of size requirements. Even some tablets could fit that definition (and I do know a few people that use a tablet as a phone). Your personal definition is a certain size, you have a very hard time separating your personal views from reality. This isn’t the first time we have had this discussion.
No I don’t, I’ve actually studied linguistics for a year, most people here didn’t, I’m not offering you an opinion merely what the existence of the world “phablet” means to the word “phone” (rather than smartphone to be frank).
The word “phone” is capped even though its initial view was that of “a device making calls”. The definition that it is “the device that it makes calls” is linguistically obsolete because of how broad it became, instead it got replaced by “handheld devices”. How big of a handheld device? Big enough to not be a “phone tablet”. What’s a phone-tablet? “A handheld tablet that makes calls”. Again I’m giving you the linguistically correct definitions not the ones of the dictionary as those often contradict each other.
The only difference between two handheld devices btw is usability. A tablet is used two handed, a phone one-handed simple enough definitions. It’s like telling me that there is no object, or a subject in most sentences because people are not aware of using them when they’re talking, or because their dictionary definition mostly used for those terms is the relevant one…
I’ll tell you of it once again, this one slowly. Using a bigger device does not spontaneously make your hand bigger. Even if you use it one handed (your phone) it’s mostly because you move your palm quite and even then not a lot of the screen is reachable. Such (up and down movement) is often done with the help of the 2nd hand.
There is a reason Apple returns to 4 inches, it’s a more anatomically correct size even though it sucks for content consumption (people would feel the difference to its older brothers)…
I’ll tell you it once again. You can’t use a bigger device comfortable one handed, that doesn’t mean others cant.
Well Apple seems to think that nobody is , Samsung too, by making S7 almost as small as S4 (btw I don’t support Apple’s move, make a phone smaller by minimizing the bezels and by implementing palm rejection tech, not by minimizing the one thing that gives usability to a phone, its screen).
That would explain Apple making a 5.5 inch phone after years of telling everyone above 5 inches was not needed. And now there are talks of Apple adding another large phone as well. Samsung has two smaller flagships and two larger ones (Edge + and Note)
Of course they make big phones (a.k.a. phablets), they’re incredibly useful. My main device is a phablet.
I was talking about linguistics here. There are the real phones and then there aew faux phones, people like the faux phones, there’s a niche who like real phones (because they are wilful) but they would soon eclipse. Good to have a fast to operate device, but better to have one that is actually useful.
Of course the best is to have both (that’s what Samsung’s trying to do by making Edge so incredibly small for a 5.5 incher, it’s almost as wide as S5 despite having 4 inches over it).
By definition they are all real phones. For someone so obsessed with linguistics you have a very hard time grasping simple definitions.
No they’re not, for the simple reason that a linguistically useful definition is one that does not contradict itself. If there is any difference between a tablet and a phone it should be size, therefore a cut-off size should be found.
According to Apple it’s somewhere around 4.5 and 4.7 inches (I would say 130x65mm is more specific size as it measures actual dimensions of the device).
The reason that I insist referencing Apple is because they’re the only ones bothering to make usability tests and sometimes even publish their results. They’re some of the few companies doing real science (instead of mere engineering) … anyway.
Iphone 5s and below (most probably 5se too) lack one-handed mode, iphone 6 and up have it, that is because according to their studies somewhere in between exists a cut-off point. BTW Miui does that too with setting an upper limit at 4 inches for its one-handed mode (even though I suspect the limit is closer to 4.5-4.7 inches depending on bezels’ … abundance).
I refer to sizes of 5 inches and up as “faux” because they are what we used to call phablets (and what we’d still call phablets if “real phones” were around). That’s the linguistically sound way of doing things.
BTW I’ve referred multiple times to the fact that I’m not a big fan of real phones, they’re on their way out for a reason. A tablet of any size is a more useful size, especially if they found ways to make it more pocketable. So the closer we are to tablet sizes the better for usefulness…
a good thing , right ?
If you like curved AMOLED’s yes.
Uh maybe it is a bad thing but i could be wrong,i thought amoled display got a shorter lifespan compare to regular LCD/LED display ?
So i always under suspicion that you can only use amoled display for 1-2 year before it start to get deteriorating (maybe screen become yelowish, brightness reduce, etc). That’s why i i never like amoled display as i really don’t have that kind of money that i can spend on smartphone every 1-2 years.
So amoled display is beautiful but LCD can last much longer. I always prefer durability/long last than pretty but die faster.
Btw my brother in law galaxy note 4 already yelowish after he used it for less than 2 years. Maybe it was coincidental but i don’t like to take any chances, nowadays it is very hard to earn money.
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
Today’s AMOLED displays can last years before any degradation begins. Most people will have had 4-5 new phones before that time.
Uh maybe it is a bad thing but i could be wrong,i thought amoled display got a shorter lifespan compare to regular LCD/LED display ?
So i always under suspicion that you can only use amoled display for 1-2 year before it start to get deteriorating (maybe screen become yelowish, brightness reduce, etc). That’s why i i never like amoled display as i really don’t have that kind of money that i can spend on smartphone every 1-2 years.
So amoled display is beautiful but LCD can last much longer. I always prefer durability/long last than pretty but die faster.
Btw my brother in law galaxy note 4 already yelowish after he used it for less than 2 years. Maybe it was coincidental but i don’t like to take any chances, nowadays it is very hard to earn money.
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/20372_Do_AMOLED_phone_screens_degrad.php
Today’s AMOLED displays can last years before any degradation begins. Most people will have had 4-5 new phones before that time.
Vkworld T1 Plus Kratos got such a cool design and have good processor in it with 2 GB RAM and internal 16 gb ROM also it comes with 6 inches extra large 2.5D Display.For more details about the display of T1 They have an interesting video to drop it into the mud and clean it in the water
Vkworld T1 Plus Kratos got such a cool design and have good processor in it with 2 GB RAM and internal 16 gb ROM also it comes with 6 inches extra large 2.5D Display.For more details about the display of T1 They have an interesting video to drop it into the mud and clean it in the water