MediaTek has already won a lot of accolade for the first two MT67xx series processors, the MT6732 (as seen on the Elephone P6000) and the MT6752 (as seen on the Siswoo Cooper i7 and JiaYu S3).
According to a report originating from MediaTek’s home country of Taiwan, the fabricator will be making a Cortex-A72 based chipset for smartphones, which is expected to go into mass production later this year. The 64-bit SoC will combine Cortex-A72 cores with A53 ones using the big.LITTLE technology.
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As seen from the roadmap above, the SoC series will have the prefix MT679x, and will have SoCs in 20nm and 16nm flavour. It will also offer support for LTE and 3G frequencies, something that is becoming more common with each passing day — on-board modems.
There are also talks that MediaTek is looking to ditch Mali graphics processors for AMD made ones, but more details on this should appear later this year.
Considering the thundering start that MediaTek has had for 2015, do you think it will be able to carry it (or even do better) till the end of the year? Let us know of your thoughts in the comments section below.
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It kinda all gets lost in translation here.
This is Digitimes Research speculating, not fact or rumor. And so are the name and the process.
They just assume that Mediatek must have a phone SoC with A72 and it won’t be on 28nm. But it could be on 28nm , Qualcomm is doing that and Mediatek has the tab SoC with A72 on 28nm so why not. The name is not gonna be anywhere close to 679x ,would make no sense.
They have already shown a Tablet SoC based on 2x A72 & 2x A53 (big little) with G6250 based on 20nm lithography. I whose actually pleasantly surprised that it isn’t a 8-12 cores no good for nothing but 2×2 good enough for real premium user experience. As Tablets are much smaller part of market it’s logical for them to do & smartphone contra part with additional logic blocks. So what’s so unbelievable about it?
The MT8173 is on 28nm and i actually mentioned it , that’s the A72 based SoC they have on 28nm. I was well aware of it and the it’s early Geekbench and GFXbench results.
The problem with A72 on 28nm is clocks, the tab SoC will have nice perf because they can go to higher TDP but in phones they would need to dial it down. Qualcomm is going up to 1.8GHz with A72 on 28nm for the midrange and not very sure if it makes sense when you factor in perf and die area.
I also never said their expectations are unbelievable ,except for the name. About the process i said that it might not be 20nm or 16nm. We do actually know that Mediatek intended to go 20nm this year but plans could have changed , 20nm TSMC is not great and they could end up skipping it. Digitimes doesn’t dare to assume they’ll go 20 or 16 ,that’s why they list both., i just pointed out that it could also be 28nm.
It’s highly unlikely that SoC is based on 28nm lithography, it’s actually unlikely it’s even based on 20nm one. You see their is actually reasonable suspicion that it’s actually based upon 16nm FinFET (that actually have 20nm base) as Synopsis routed A72 for it. Media Tek didn’t actually released any information about actual used manufacturing process. So I presume you are fantasizing or herd it thru the grape vine. You know that actual routing takes couple of months & they actually already showed it & are sampling it.
“We had a discussion with MediaTek about this first A72 SoC for tablets
(that we are aware of), and the company’s representatives confirmed that
this is a 28nm chip made at TSMC.”
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/37136-mediatek-announces-a72-a53-quad-core-tablet-soc
Would still took Fudzilla with more than grain of salt. Truth is we can only speculate as we don’t really even know about architectural changes concerning A72. ARM took us (public) by surprise all do industry partners did know it much earlier so everything is possible. Still some things just don’t fit in that story; first is relatively hi clock rate (2.4GHz) & second the MTK is not actually known to go far away from main stream. Synopsis did only confirm that it routed it for 16nm so far & not so long ago so it’s not hi likely MTK routed it & have it on silicon in such a short time besides all other announcement’s are tied for 16nm.
The MT8173 is on 28nm, there is no real debate there and that’s why it’s just dual A72 and aimed at tabs.
From a cost perspective it also doesn’t make sense to a make a midrange tablet SoC on an advanced process. If you are gonna pay for the process you need something that can sell at a premium and midrange is not that.
On 16ff+ we should see 2.4GHz and above quad A72 in phones but it’s not time for that just yet.
I think MT8173 could suit smartphones even at 28nm.
It’s GPU half of Iphone 6’s and seems not clocked to high frequencies.
It’s CPU delivers close scores to Exynos 5433. Would have equivalent if Samsung update it to 64-bit Android.
MT8173 is clocked high and has no modem, If you add modem you add heat and A72 is aimed at 16nm. Qualcomm is going A72 28nm for the midrange but at much lower clocks and ofc Mediatek could do the same.
I could be wrong but considering MT8173, Snapdragon 620’s 1.8GHz A72 performance should be around same level with MT6795’s 2.2GHz A53.
Even with modem it could be fine. A72’s power consumption is less than A57 at same node and it’s just dual core A72.
We don’t really know power consumption and die size on same node and btw i was actually arguing that it could be on 28nm, not against it.
In the end this was just Digitimes speculating so it’s all pretty pointless.
EDIT: Just remembered that there is a MT8163 that showed up in a couple of benchmarks . GFXbench sees it as A57 but they identify the 8173 as A57 too so it’s unreliable. The GPU is listed as Sapphire-LT (or something like that) and hard to say what that is , could be AMD i guess.
All seems wrong.
MT6795 up to 2.2GHz not 2.5GHz. Most will be 2GHz.
MT6753 will be 1.5GHz and MT6735 1.3 to 1.5GHz.
Mediatek still playing for cheap.
meh.. be thankful mtk exists!
And in which century you get mediatek phones with android 5
This Century 😀
http://www.lavamobiles.com/smartphones/iris-x1-grand
http://global.gionee.com/product_elife-s7/home/#specifications
U REKT EM BRAH!
Samsung is running on 14nm chips and mediated is stuck on 28nm!!! No future… And we are talking about gHz and Mp. Great.
lel bro… just w8.
mtk will surpass samsung exymos in no time!
If we consider their plans, MT is going to use 20nm in 2016. Samsung is going to use 10nm and ready to shrink in 6nm. Don’t worry. MT is going to put 16 cores to compete the others…
Just because you use a smaller process doesn’t mean your processors are any less competitive. What seems to matter a lot is price. Mediatek’s chips allow for phones to be made cheaply but still perform well, and as long as this keeps up Mediatek shouldn’t have issues selling their chips
We should not care about 8 cores and frequencies. We should care about more useful thing like efficiency and technology. A dual core 16nm can make it far better in real world usage than a 12 core old processor. Including cost.
Yeah, billions of people worry about their phone’s SOC fabrication size. lol.
lel ! this ^
If they knew that 700mAh of their 2000 mAh battery and 20% of the speed is waisted because of the fabrication size, they will be worried! 😉
I am afraid only on the bench. Real world usage is not a benchmark.
hmm.. a countless other reviews say mtk HAVE performed well in real time , for thier cheap prices.. , like improved GPS. I dunno hows that NOT real world. but we’ll have to wait more.. for a clearer picture.
There is a huge difference between low and mid range SoCs and high end SoCs.
You don’t compare a Ford Focus with a BMW and just because one is a lot less,it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Samsung itself is rumored to be using Mediatek later this year, they don’t have their own chips for anything bellow high end.
A quad A53 tablet SoC from some small China chip maker is 5$ (it actually is and they advertise it as such), a high end phone SoC with integrated LTE is assumed to be some 40-50$ depending on volume. Mediatek , Marvell and some others (even Intel) are focused on midrange and bellow for now but Mediatek is slowly aiming above that. Nvidia is aiming at just high end and not selling any…. It’s a matter of strategy not competence really.
And BTW Mediatek is actually one of the biggest chipmakers in the world now. They are a giant even if most westerners don’t think of them that way.
Yes. You are right about the mid range competition. You miss a thing: A processor with 4 cores @16nm it’s far better in everything than 8cores@28nm (including cost) mediatek plays the game of cores, Qualcomm plays the game of gHz. But get a look at iPhone 6 dual core @1.3.
Imagine 6752 quad with 16nm @2 gHz. Kill machine.
AMD <3 , I LOVE AMD!
if they go for AMD graphics , THEN i SWEAR never to buy from qualcomm AGAIN!
ONLY MTK !
By the way: Qualcomms Adreno is an AMD GPU! 😉
oops :p
I still prefer qualcomm chips and Samsung chips over mediatek. Their CPU performance has definitely improved but it is still lacking in so many areas.
Like what? How is it the MT6752 worse than the Snapdragon 615? Or the MT6732 worse than the SD410?
Compare sub 20$ SoCs against each other not against a 40+$ SoC.
because you’re not compare it apple-to-apple 615 is dual quadcore when mt6752 is octacore, 410 clocked lower than mt6732 that’s only in term of core.
snapdragon also better in bandwith and hardware support
and wtf is $40 soc? when snapdragon 810 is only $27
615 competes in prices with the MT6752 and is marketed as 8 cores, it’s a fair comparison.
410 is clocked lower and is slower ,so you manage to make a simple point on how it’s the lesser product.
Better at bandwidth and hardware support- i guess you have no idea what the hell you are saying at all, you just through words at it.
As for your claim that SD810 is 27$ LOL, Up to 30$ would be a SoC without LTE but then you pay 15-20$ for hih end discrete LTE.
Software updates, community support, GPS performance and it supports newer tech.
lol same empty fanboy claims, What is support for newer tech exactly? Seriously do you have any clue at all what you intended to say with that? In fact Mediatek is pushing things like 120 FPS or Miravision – MV besides having a few nice tricks also allows you a lot more access to screen calibration.
In the end midrange features are a matter of cost ,Qualcomm doesn’t even have HVEC hardware encoding in the SD808
So software updates, community support, GPS performance are empty claims? Ok sure. There is a reason why even Chinese companies go with qualcomm and Samsung chips for their high-end phones and not with mediatek.
The problem with Mediatek´s support is down to the manufacturers, if Samsung (I know they are willing to) starts using MT6732 and MT6752 chips on their newer midrange phones then the comunity will change perception about mediatek´s chipsets.
They had published the sourcecode for Kitkat for all their current chipsets, and Lollipop for 64bit ones.
As long as the phone manufacturer and its partners share their sources too, then the comunity will jump ship inmediatly.
Qualcomm is a sinking boat, Samsung knew it and ditched the 810 crap for their Exynos Octacores.
They are in negotiations (price I guess) with Mediatek as they will consume their Qualcomm break up for good.
Not when you don’t release the source code. which mediatek almost never does.
False,
You should use Google for more than searching porn.
So I just used Google for the first time in my life for something else then porn (I didn’t even know it could search for other things) and found out that mediatek has released the source code for very old chips and for the ones in the android one phones. None of their newer chips have had their source code released. Thx for me proving me right.
It kinda all gets lost in translation here.
This is Digitimes Research speculating, not fact or rumor. And so are the name and the process.
They just assume that Mediatek must have a phone SoC with A72 and it won’t be on 28nm. But it could be on 28nm , Qualcomm is doing that and Mediatek has the tab SoC with A72 on 28nm so why not. The name is not gonna be anywhere close to 679x ,would make no sense.
They have already shown a Tablet SoC based on 2x A72 & 2x A53 (big little) with G6250 based on 20nm lithography. I whose actually pleasantly surprised that it isn’t a 8-12 cores no good for nothing but 2×2 good enough for real premium user experience. As Tablets are much smaller part of market it’s logical for them to do & smartphone contra part with additional logic blocks. So what’s so unbelievable about it?
The MT8173 is on 28nm and i actually mentioned it , that’s the A72 based SoC they have on 28nm. I was well aware of it and the it’s early Geekbench and GFXbench results.
The problem with A72 on 28nm is clocks, the tab SoC will have nice perf because they can go to higher TDP but in phones they would need to dial it down. Qualcomm is going up to 1.8GHz with A72 on 28nm for the midrange and not very sure if it makes sense when you factor in perf and die area.
I also never said their expectations are unbelievable ,except for the name. About the process i said that it might not be 20nm or 16nm. We do actually know that Mediatek intended to go 20nm this year but plans could have changed , 20nm TSMC is not great and they could end up skipping it. Digitimes doesn’t dare to assume they’ll go 20 or 16 ,that’s why they list both., i just pointed out that it could also be 28nm.
It’s highly unlikely that SoC is based on 28nm lithography, it’s actually unlikely it’s even based on 20nm one. You see their is actually reasonable suspicion that it’s actually based upon 16nm FinFET (that actually have 20nm base) as Synopsis routed A72 for it. Media Tek didn’t actually released any information about actual used manufacturing process. So I presume you are fantasizing or herd it thru the grape vine. You know that actual routing takes couple of months & they actually already showed it & are sampling it.
“We had a discussion with MediaTek about this first A72 SoC for tablets
(that we are aware of), and the company’s representatives confirmed that
this is a 28nm chip made at TSMC.”
http://www.fudzilla.com/news/mobile/37136-mediatek-announces-a72-a53-quad-core-tablet-soc
I think MT8173 could suit smartphones even at 28nm.
It’s GPU half of Iphone 6’s and seems not clocked to high frequencies.
It’s CPU delivers close scores to Exynos 5433. Would have equivalent if Samsung update it to 64-bit Android.
Would still took Fudzilla with more than grain of salt. Truth is we can only speculate as we don’t really even know about architectural changes concerning A72. ARM took us (public) by surprise all do industry partners did know it much earlier so everything is possible. Still some things just don’t fit in that story; first is relatively hi clock rate (2.4GHz) & second the MTK is not actually known to go far away from main stream. Synopsis did only confirm that it routed it for 16nm so far & not so long ago so it’s not hi likely MTK routed it & have it on silicon in such a short time besides all other announcement’s are tied for 16nm.
MT8173 is clocked high and has no modem, If you add modem you add heat and A72 is aimed at 16nm. Qualcomm is going A72 28nm for the midrange but at much lower clocks and ofc Mediatek could do the same.
The MT8173 is on 28nm, there is no real debate there and that’s why it’s just dual A72 and aimed at tabs.
From a cost perspective it also doesn’t make sense to a make a midrange tablet SoC on an advanced process. If you are gonna pay for the process you need something that can sell at a premium and midrange is not that.
On 16ff+ we should see 2.4GHz and above quad A72 in phones but it’s not time for that just yet.
I could be wrong but considering MT8173, Snapdragon 620’s 1.8GHz A72 performance should be around same level with MT6795’s 2.2GHz A53.
Even with modem it could be fine. A72’s power consumption is less than A57 at same node and it’s just dual core A72.
We don’t really know power consumption and die size on same node and btw i was actually arguing that it could be on 28nm, not against it.
In the end this was just Digitimes speculating so it’s all pretty pointless.
EDIT: Just remembered that there is a MT8163 that showed up in a couple of benchmarks . GFXbench sees it as A57 but they identify the 8173 as A57 too so it’s unreliable. The GPU is listed as Sapphire-LT (or something like that) and hard to say what that is , could be AMD i guess.
All seems wrong.
MT6795 up to 2.2GHz not 2.5GHz. Most will be 2GHz.
MT6753 will be 1.5GHz and MT6735 1.3 to 1.5GHz.
Mediatek still playing for cheap.
meh.. be thankful mtk exists!
And in which century you get mediatek phones with android 5
This Century 😀
http://www.lavamobiles.com/smartphones/iris-x1-grand
http://global.gionee.com/product_elife-s7/home/#specifications
U REKT EM BRAH!
Samsung is running on 14nm chips and mediated is stuck on 28nm!!! No future… And we are talking about gHz and Mp. Great.
lel bro… just w8.
mtk will surpass samsung exymos in no time!
If we consider their plans, MT is going to use 20nm in 2016. Samsung is going to use 10nm and ready to shrink in 6nm. Don’t worry. MT is going to put 16 cores to compete the others…
Just because you use a smaller process doesn’t mean your processors are any less competitive. What seems to matter a lot is price. Mediatek’s chips allow for phones to be made cheaply but still perform well, and as long as this keeps up Mediatek shouldn’t have issues selling their chips
There is a huge difference between low and mid range SoCs and high end SoCs.
You don’t compare a Ford Focus with a BMW and just because one is a lot less,it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Samsung itself is rumored to be using Mediatek later this year, they don’t have their own chips for anything bellow high end.
A quad A53 tablet SoC from some small China chip maker is 5$ (it actually is and they advertise it as such), a high end phone SoC with integrated LTE is assumed to be some 40-50$ depending on volume. Mediatek , Marvell and some others (even Intel) are focused on midrange and bellow for now but Mediatek is slowly aiming above that. Nvidia is aiming at just high end and not selling any…. It’s a matter of strategy not competence really.
And BTW Mediatek is actually one of the biggest chipmakers in the world now. They are a giant even if most westerners don’t think of them that way.
Yeah, billions of people worry about their phone’s SOC fabrication size. lol.
lel ! this ^
If they knew that 700mAh of their 2000 mAh battery and 20% of the speed is waisted because of the fabrication size, they will be worried! 😉
Yes. You are right about the mid range competition. You miss a thing: A processor with 4 cores @16nm it’s far better in everything than 8cores@28nm (including cost) mediatek plays the game of cores, Qualcomm plays the game of gHz. But get a look at iPhone 6 dual core @1.3.
Imagine 6752 quad with 16nm @2 gHz. Kill machine.
We should not care about 8 cores and frequencies. We should care about more useful thing like efficiency and technology. A dual core 16nm can make it far better in real world usage than a 12 core old processor. Including cost.
I am afraid only on the bench. Real world usage is not a benchmark.
hmm.. a countless other reviews say mtk HAVE performed well in real time , for thier cheap prices.. , like improved GPS. I dunno hows that NOT real world. but we’ll have to wait more.. for a clearer picture.
AMD <3 , I LOVE AMD!
if they go for AMD graphics , THEN i SWEAR never to buy from qualcomm AGAIN!
ONLY MTK !
By the way: Qualcomms Adreno is an AMD GPU! 😉
oops :p
I still prefer qualcomm chips and Samsung chips over mediatek. Their CPU performance has definitely improved but it is still lacking in so many areas.
Like what? How is it the MT6752 worse than the Snapdragon 615? Or the MT6732 worse than the SD410?
Compare sub 20$ SoCs against each other not against a 40+$ SoC.
because you’re not compare it apple-to-apple 615 is dual quadcore when mt6752 is octacore, 410 clocked lower than mt6732 that’s only in term of core.
snapdragon also better in bandwith and hardware support
and wtf is $40 soc? when snapdragon 810 is only $27
Software updates, community support, GPS performance and it supports newer tech.
615 competes in prices with the MT6752 and is marketed as 8 cores, it’s a fair comparison.
410 is clocked lower and is slower ,so you manage to make a simple point on how it’s the lesser product.
Better at bandwidth and hardware support- i guess you have no idea what the hell you are saying at all, you just through words at it.
As for your claim that SD810 is 27$ LOL, Up to 30$ would be a SoC without LTE but then you pay 15-20$ for hih end discrete LTE.
lol same empty fanboy claims, What is support for newer tech exactly? Seriously do you have any clue at all what you intended to say with that? In fact Mediatek is pushing things like 120 FPS or Miravision – MV besides having a few nice tricks also allows you a lot more access to screen calibration.
In the end midrange features are a matter of cost ,Qualcomm doesn’t even have HVEC hardware encoding in the SD808
So software updates, community support, GPS performance are empty claims? Ok sure. There is a reason why even Chinese companies go with qualcomm and Samsung chips for their high-end phones and not with mediatek.
The problem with Mediatek´s support is down to the manufacturers, if Samsung (I know they are willing to) starts using MT6732 and MT6752 chips on their newer midrange phones then the comunity will change perception about mediatek´s chipsets.
They had published the sourcecode for Kitkat for all their current chipsets, and Lollipop for 64bit ones.
As long as the phone manufacturer and its partners share their sources too, then the comunity will jump ship inmediatly.
Qualcomm is a sinking boat, Samsung knew it and ditched the 810 crap for their Exynos Octacores.
They are in negotiations (price I guess) with Mediatek as they will consume their Qualcomm break up for good.
Not when you don’t release the source code. which mediatek almost never does.
False,
You should use Google for more than searching porn.
So I just used Google for the first time in my life for something else then porn (I didn’t even know it could search for other things) and found out that mediatek has released the source code for very old chips and for the ones in the android one phones. None of their newer chips have had their source code released. Thx for me proving me right.
Could this mean the MT6795 is already outdated?
They did it already with the 6595.
Good soc but released too late.
Only 3 phones for that soc and then they released the 64 bit ones.
This is what’s going to happen with their 6795.
The MT6595 was outdated since the day they announced it…
That chipset is nothing more than a MT6752 running at higher frequences.
Looking at Qualcomm´s Snapdragon 810 heating problems I guess Mediatek took a pretty risky gamble by overlooking ARM Cortex A57 (and its costly patents) that seems will pay off in the near future.
They will get hands on with Cortex A72 cores that will blow everything appart, particularly the GPU side no matter if Mali or AMD cores…
Yes mediatek have the capability to take them to next level and they are really good at that….
Could this mean the MT6795 is already outdated?
They did it already with the 6595.
Good soc but released too late.
Only 3 phones for that soc and then they released the 64 bit ones.
This is what’s going to happen with their 6795.
The MT6595 was outdated since the day they announced it…
That chipset is nothing more than a MT6752 running at higher frequences.
Looking at Qualcomm´s Snapdragon 810 heating problems I guess Mediatek took a pretty risky gamble by overlooking ARM Cortex A57 (and its costly patents) that seems will pay off in the near future.
They will get hands on with Cortex A72 cores that will blow everything appart, particularly the GPU side no matter if Mali or AMD cores…
Yes mediatek have the capability to take them to next level and they are really good at that….