Meizu’s MX5 is a fairly impressive device for what it costs, but it seems as though Meizu is keen on getting a device more powerful than that out there.
Its no secret that the company is working on one, too. The upcoming phone, regardless of what it’ll be called (MX5 Pro/Pro Plus?), is quite a bomb. If AnTuTu scores are anything to go by, the phone is quite a powerhouse for it scores a hefty 69,000 points on the benchmarking app!
Codenamed ‘NUIX’, the leaked Meizu phone comes powered by the Exynos 7420 (as seen on the Samsung Galaxy S6) and has 3GB of RAM to go along with it. We’ve heard rumours of a similar Meizu phone but with 4GB of RAM, but considering the potential of this device 4GB might not even be needed.
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The AnTuTu leak also goes on to tell that it’ll be a 21 mega-pixel camera on the rear of the phone, possibly the same sensor as the MX5, along with a 5 mega-pixel front facer. There’s also a mention of 32GB ROM.
The listing says nothing about the screen size, but does show that it’ll be an FHD screen. Could the ‘NUIX’ have a smaller screen than the MX5? Meizu have a knack of producing offbeat screen sizes and aspect ratios, and the NUIX could be one that features those.
Mark my words, when Samsung’s 14nm Exynos 78xx series arrives, it’s pretty much going to screw over every other processor in town, in both synthetics as well as real world usage – doesn’t matter if it is QualComm’s 820+ SoCs or Mediatek’s Helio X50 with 20/30/40 cores.
Samsung is doing it right, and their SoCs are currently the absolute best (better than SD 805, 808, 810 etc.), with no competition from MediaTek whatsoever, and they are efficient too (thermal print wise).
Of course, if you talk about price brackets and commercial value ratios, then the argument is significantly different. But from a purist’s point of view, in terms of merit, nothing beats Samsung’s offerings as of date.
Can’t wait for the 78xx series to show up.
Hehehe. Helio x50 with 40 cores looolllll!!!!
Can’t wait for Helio X100 with portable cooking capabilities and built in fan.
Yup. Samsung’s SoCs appear to be the best at the moment. If only there were more devices that came with them.
agree with you about how good their SoC is but there’s a problem:
Samsung is terrible for developers which means you won’t have any choice but deal with a crappy ROM full of bloatware.
It’s like having a super computer running windows millennium.
And then price, you mentioned it.
The way i see it, there’s no difference between Samsung and Apple.
Pretty much all exynos based phones have got CM (12.1 as of late):
(delete the space between / and w)
Maybe the situation is worse than with Qualcomms, but it’s faaar better than with Mediateks and certainly not as bad as represented (you certainly don’t *have to* deal with TW roms).
WAITTTTTT!!!!!! isnt the new Exynos chip using EPOPS tech and isnt it being manufactured using the new 10nm process that samsung have basically got nailed down already?????
ever super hardware with poor OS android.
What are the chances of it being dual sim? If so, I will seriously consider it eventually as a replacement for my M1 note.
Meizu is done with “offbeat screen sizes and aspect ratios”; they’ve gone mainstream to battle it out with everyone else.
Samsung is ahead only because they use the most advanced fabrication process(14nm) and can cramp more GPU cores than anybody. Do you even realize that Snapdragon 810 is built on a 28nm process as well as Helio X10
Apple, Nvidia and Qulacomm have shown that custom cores are always better and more efficient than standard ARM cores, so no matter how many A72`s Samsung pack in there or as many Mali cores, they will always come second best to a custom architecture with a custom GPU on the same fabrication process.
And as long as they can be one or two fab processes ahead, that’s all that matters. Feel free to buy a SoC from one gen back and proudly print a T-shirt stating “my SoC is slower only because it’s from an old fab process. If my manufacturer were to build using the same fab, it would be much faster. Watch out next year! “.
And when Samsung leads the line the next year, you won’t have to buy a new T-shirt, the old one you just printed will do nicely, eh?
are u an engineer ?
Yes, although that is not rocket science. It was like the GHZ race back in the day between Intel and AMD in the end it proved that there are more efficient ways to achieve performance rather than just going for as much as possible in a single chip.
Apple loses pretty badly (in multicore) to Exynos 7420 and last year’s 5433 (despite the same process).
Also Snapdragon 810 uses 20nm, not 28nm.
Qualcomm’s custom cores were losing for years to both A15s and lately A53s and A57s in per clock performance.
A badly engineered custom core is something to be avoided.
Nvidia’s Denver and Apple’s A8 arch has way better IPS than any ARM cores, the Krait 400 and 450 lose only to A17 and A57 in clock for clock, however they allowed to be clocked to 2,5-2,7 which negated that difference and run great with any Android to date.
The new Kyro is going back to quad-core as it was meant to be, and they for all I know were right that a proper quad core SoC is more than enough.
We shall wait and see the test results.
Also fewer cores (for Denver and A8), that hurts quad core optimized apps like Google Chrome (I.e. others run them faster).
A15, A17, A57 and in integers point calculations even A53 (!) have better IPC than Krait. Basically it’s a blow out and not surprising at that as it is based on the old and inefficient Cortex A9 (it’s a modified design of A9).
Also apart from A15 all of the above scale to 2+ Ghz in different phones. Krait only scales to 2.7GHz and that’s only to a few of them, it only beats A53 based SoCs in single core performance and that’s with great difficulty.
Numbers do not support you. There is a point for making custom cores, but raw performance is not one of them:
To this day the best performing SoCs in cpu performance is/are not the custom ones. Exynos 7420 this year, Exynos 5433 & Mediatek 6595 last year. It was a tie between Snapdragon 800 / Exynos 5420 and Apple A7 in 2013. only in 2012 S4 pro was clearly better and from 2011 and back it’s all ARM baby…
I expect Kryo to be … manhandled by A72 based chips. But if Mongoose is to be released next year then it would be the first custom chip to be clearly better than the competition…
Samsungs Mongoose cores are all but ready for shipping and have already been benchmarked alongside all the next gen chips from the A9x/A9, Kirin 950, Denver 2, SD 820 and the Exynos 7420 and this new Exynos M1 with the mongoose cores and possibly heterogeneous System Architecture blew away all of the competition save the Denver 2 which is btw made for larger tablets and still draws a lot more power than the M1, but the M1 completely destroy everything including denver 2in Multicore, and crushes all in single core except the Denver 2.
Yeah, I was referring to the same leaks, but I’m not sure if they’re trustworthy. I mostly say that because there are (other) leaks saying that S7 may use Snapdragon 820.
Snapdragon 820 would be only barely faster than Exynos 7420 and the only way that they would put SD820 on S7 is if they won’t release Exynos M1 in time (it’s not ready yet?).
I highly doubt that after the success of the Exynos 7 octa and universal praise and not to mention ****load of spending they put into R&D for this new SOC that they would go with qualcomm for their flagship device which really needs to make a splash and right a few wrongs from their declining mobile profits thanks to their “mistake” of producing more than double the S6 vanilla than the S6 edge which turned out to ruin sales for them since the s6 edge outsold and is outselling the S6 vanilla but they didn’t have nearly enough resources to make the curved screen as fast or as many as they needed and were stuck with a large stockpile of vanilla S6. Another major reason i highly doubt they will go with the SD 810 is because they really need to boost profits and and in-house SOC is the best way to save money which is what they really need to do to get back on top, also up until the release of the S6 almost everyone still believed that it would have the SD 810 if you recall. Another reason im pretty sure it wont go with the SD 820 is that its barely on par with the Exynos 7420 octa in single core scores and still loses quite badly in multicore, and Samsung cant be seen as second or third best when it comes to hardware as it is what drives their sales and whole marketing style is based on “Being bigger and better than all the rest”. According to sources in Korea the M1 will be ready for late Q1 mass production or maybe even sooner as they dont work at anyone’s pace because they don’t have to wait for any factories or designers as they both design and mass produce almost everything they need. The M1 will be a game changer tho and who knows maybe itll even be in 10nm since they said its gonna be done in 2016 tho no mention or when in 2016.
If the numbers are true though, then the M1 is faster than most Laptop Processors! I mean think about it, your phone is faster than your computer, we live in a weird era indeed :p
Having said that, Samsung have used Qualcomm in the past -too- despite the fact that it was worse than their in-house SoCs. Remember Note 4? Snapdragon 805 was smoked away from Exynos 5433, yet most people bought the Snapdragon version… or galaxy Alpha. Its exynos 5430 is one generation ahead of snapdragon 801, yet North America only got the Snapdragon version despite the fact that Exynos 5430 supports LTE and it is/was more battery friendly (20nm).
So -yeah- it’s definitely possible. North America and UK will get Snapdragon 820 (since they don’t seem to care about performance) and the rest of the world (Europe/East Asia/Latin America) will get the Exynos M1…
Don’t you think it’s possible?
I think it will come down to saving money which we both know they are currently swimming in really shallow water and buying some other companies SOC’s when they can make their own and reduce losses even though they make Qualcomms SOCs as well will stil lcost them more if they have to buy from them instead of use their own. I mean they are kinda desperate at this point to not be outsold by iPhone especially with the new iPhone iteration around the corner. Not to mention that back when the Galaxy Note 4 was out the Exynos chip was really untested and they weren’t really sure how it would take to apps and they were the undisputed sales kings at the time coming off record breaking sales… Fast forward to 2014 and enter the Galaxy s5which performed dismally and got mediocre reviews at best and now with the Galaxy S6 sales blunder they are desperate. Not that the S6 failed but it failed to be the game changer and saving grace they were hoping for because of terrible market prediction about which phone to got with in terms or edge vs non edge. I think they will use the SD 820 but in a lesser model not of the same name, maybe and most likely in the new galaxy alpha, but there is no way they would go with the SD 820 for the 2016 flagship as it is horribly and i do mean horribly outgunned and completely overpowered by the A9 chip from apple and even by the new Kirin 950 especially in multicore. Samasung is a massive conglomerate but the mobile division is a large part of the pie and if they loose to apple they will jsut keep slipping into the background and they know it. I Still think it will come down to finances and the Exynos is the smarter and faster way to go with a cosmically better chip and save a ton of money which they cant afford to loose since there sales profit margins have dipped every single quarter since the Galaxy S5 debut. I know im long winded lol
Honestly though (on a bit irrelevant note), I find silly that Samsung’s trying to compete with Apple. They represent different segments of the market and trying to go toe in toe with Apple killed Samsung’s sales.
Apple is marketing and image, Samsung was about value. Now they try to be about image too, all the while killing much of their value-offerings (battery, micro-SD). If I was after image of course I would prefer Apple, as they’re the first “the original”, IMO Samsung is shooting themselves in the foot there.
For S7 to be better than S6, they should stop with the gimmicks. They should regain their footing in the market by representing value. Putting the best on one phone. For example M1 on *all* variants (none of this Snapdragon silliness which actually damaged them as it confused the buyers), micro-SD support, as well as replace-able battery. They can make pretty phones with replaceable battery, Samsung Wave was all metal, yet you could change the battery.
Also best camera, best community support (none of this with-holding the sources silliness, by not supporting the community they lose a lot of value by “free” community apps). They can do aaall these, but they try too hard to imitate Apple and they lose due to that…
I actually agree with most of what you said except for the removable battery, I know it can be a pain but you have to remember that the next Exynos chip will be so much more advanced than anything else out there, it is going to be even more power efficient than anything we have ever seen and is going to save a lot of space on the phone. I prefer the look and feel of a solid non removable back but i also think that Samsung can fit in a much larger battery than 3000Mah. I mean lenovo’s new Vibe shot is a 5.5 inch snapdragon phone and with much older tech that’s not up[ to par in anyway with Samsung and they still managed to make it very thin and put in a extremely high capacity 5000Mah battery. I know Samsung can do that easy esp with this new fabrication process, they can at least fit a 4200Mah battery into this beast and make us all proud and i’m sure that will satisfy those with battery needs and those who want a nice looking phone, and i mean they can fit in a damn sd card in there for sure right alongside the Sim. If they realize this and go that route on the new s7 i know they can blow apples sales out of the water and just please almost everyone. Never please everyone lol but most will be more than happy. Slap in a brand new 23 megapixel shooter with 1.8/f aperture and we got a winner. I hope they dont go with 4K screens like sony because that will make the whole big batter stupid unless they havce some new OLED screen that takes up the same power as a Quad HD screen, they should stick with quad had and not go above 5.5 inches or 5.7 at most. And hire some new guys to beautify and slim down that rom of theirs. They do that and i honestly dont see any way that apple can compete and they will regain the dominance they commanded at the end of 2013.
Problem is that with time Li-ion cells die. So my Samsung Wave’s 1500 Mah battery after a year or so it was only 1300 Mah, after two years 1000 Mahs and by the third year it was 800 Mah. Similarly Note 5’s 3000 Mah, would be 2600 Mah in a year and closer to 2000 Mah in 2 years , that’s veeery little.
Heavy usage kills the battery and if it is not removable it kills the aesthetics of the phone to open it up and have it replaced. There are mechanisms (like the one in Samsung wave) where a removable back doesn’t look bad (especially if one uses a case). I also like Jiayu G5’s mechanism: http://bestmobs.com/html/uploads/Jiayu-G5.jpg (it doesn’t look like it is removable). Certainly a company as big as Samsung can make it so, as it wouldn’t look bad (to have a removable batt I mean)…
I Think steven fox is lost and or not reading very much about the next gen 10nm Exynos chip with EPOPS technology and the samsung also has its own custom CPU cores for the next generation of chips that will be in the S7. The new SOC is codenamed Exynos M1. Samsung’s System LSI Division has been working on a proprietary 64-bit
core for four years and will no longer be using the default ARM Cortex
designs, according to a reports from Korea, and these cores called “Mongoose core will be in the next SOC, and if you didnt know it has already been benchmarked along side the new SD 820, apple A9 and A9X as well as the Kirin 950 and Nvidia Denver, and it completely destroys everything when it comes to CPU even the nvidia denver which is made for much larger devices such as tablets, the Single and Multi CPU scores are a class above even the Apple A9 and A9X the only area it is not top dog in is the Graphics arena but as benchmarks show it still is very very close to the top Mobile GPU, but the new NVdia chip destroys all in graphics. The Single core score is 45% higher that the current Exynos 7420 octa. Samsungs next SOC will be a demon to be reckoned with just as the last Gens Exynos 7 was but now with its new custom cores will be an entirely different creature capable of much more.
I know about that and also LG is building their own SoC.
So far nothing, but speculation on Samsung’s custom design, so we just have to wait and see.
That just goes to show that ARM’s designs have room for improvement and cutting down on license fees is not hurting either.
Apparently you aren’t aware of the benchmarking of Mongoose and the fact that Samsung has already trademarked Mongoose Branding. There can be no speculation at this point. The speculation is only for LG working on a custom SoC. Since they do not own their own fabrication technology or any SoC processor production plants of their own. It would be as a Design House only and that’s what you call being in the speculative stage!
Remember this too; They ALL ARE STILL PAYING ARM LICENSING FEES….. and ARM is getting richer not poorer for it. They all depend on ARMv8 Instruction sets. Which have been customized specifically for ARM Core Designs from the start back in 2008!
Even Apple depends on ARM for their store bought PA Semi PWRficient (IBM PowerPC licensed) converted desktop SoC processor designs. They simply had Samsung shrink them, stole Intrinsity out from under their own partner, Samsung and when ARM launched ARMv8 Instruction Sets, had Jim Keller remap them to those PWRficient 64bit cores to say could be the 1st Kindergartner Mentality iDiots to Scream… FIRST!!!
Meanwhile their all in one simple iOS. Which was the Genius of Scott Forstall…. not ignutz Jony 5 Ive invented EVERYTHING GOOD IN APPLE…. is struggling to debug what’s turning out to be anything but a bug free zoned OS. He copied Lisa Frank on iOS 7’s UX design and stolen more Android features than he… especially can even count. He’s a bum with voice getting more repulsive every time he opens his mouth to claim he and Apple Invented EVERYTHING… way… before the DAWN of TIME IMMORTAL!!!
None of these Design House only so called chip makers (aside from ARM who only claims to be a Design House) can ever touch the expertise in fabrication process it takes to even produce their own chips. None can even afford to spend the BILLIONS…. Samsung does out of their own Deeper Pockets than any chip maker on the Planet!!! ….and you need to find out exactly how big they really are. But…. most of all… just how diversified the whole of Samsung and the Lee Chaebol really is! …..there are things you buy right now that come indirectly from Samsung and it’s easy to see you don’t even know it…. with your Smug Applewellian Prole Elitist Type Attitude!!! xD
Qualcomm and Nvidia have only proven that they aren’t capable of power management and thermal management, as of now!
Their latest SoC’s were powerful monsters if actively cooled, but passively cooled it’s a big fail.
The biggest joke is the SD810, it hits 65k or what so ever in benchmarks once, and then runs out of steam, after 10 minutes it is below 45k points while e.g. the Helio X10 still holds tight to his 50k. This ugly thing trains the batter and gets hotter than previous SD80x SoC’s, for actual no improvement at all.
Nvidia had the power problem due to the GPU, not the CPU.
Qualcomm only had Thermal issues in two chips, we’ll see how their next batch manages.
The why they had Thermal issues matters! After seeing how Qualcomm ignores thermal issues but puts 4xA57 into their SoC, I am pretty convinced that engineers there are quite stupid. Either this or their marketing department must have forced them to let the four A57 cores run for so long.
Just to give an example. MTK does it in the helio X10 like this:
-start with 6 out of 8 cores, to see how hot the SoC gets (it doesn’t know the room temperature yet)
-swap the warmest 2 cores out, and stick to 6 out of 8 for a bit more.
-if it’s save give the user all 8 cores
-and in between regulate the cpu speed a bit.
And this is how Qualcomm does it:
full speed… first A57 down … more of full speed 2nd A57 down, … and so on so that after some minutes all A57 are gone. That’s just stupid. Worst is that the company with so much experience in this segment, completely ignores such a problem from the start!
The only downside of what MTK does is, that it doesn’t look so good on paper and is not impressive to people who swear on benchmark results. Like one time benchmark results of a cold device. They just guarantee the power for 20 minutes (almost like apple does in their SoC’s).
Qualcomm is still using ARM designed cores in in 810. They’ll only be going back to their own CPU cores in other SoC processors. It’s basically the same ARM 4 litttle and 4 big cores used by Samsung. Only in TSMC’s 28nm process vs newer/smaller Samsung 14nm Process. However they are using their own GPU cores and that’s where the heat is coming from.
Nvidia is not that great at all. Primarily because they are using a symmetrical compute model only…. like Apple. Which is only great for showing off single core single task benchmarking. There is no way ever for a symmetrically arranged chips to compete with Exynos 7420 on Multicore scoring on either Apple’s or Nvidia’s SoC processors. Because everything is running in a single line through all cores. It can finish one task faster…. yes…. but give them a large variety of tasks, apps and system processes to run and they’ll error out on one or more!
Nvidia’s re-programmable GPU cores that can utilize their own API’s together with OpenCL are their saving grace. But they are still incapable of utilizing full HSA Heterogeneous Computing API’s. That’s where SAMSUNG was smart right out the door with ARM BIG/Little SoC licensing and getting with AMD on HSA Foundation Development!!!
Now with their Superior Fabrication Process about to take them even smaller with 10nm already in the ramping up process, Samsung will have no equal in semiconductor fabrication. Even Intel is struggling with 10nm and exactly what will happen when Samsung launches Graphene Process Technology? They’ll have every chip maker on the planet running for cover. Because they already own the majority of Graphene Patents!!!
plz be 6 inch !
you won’t buy it anyway
Well nice, but the MX5 is overpriced, with HelioX10, Xiaomi can be cheaper with X10…
Yeah but Xiaomi used cheaper part and I don’t blame them at 160€ it’s fine