Xiaomi took the opportunity to automatically update the systems of Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 phones in China last night, causing users to wake up to face WIFI issues.
Weβre reported before that some customers running phone with the Mediatek Helio X10 chipset have been reporting WIFI issues, and the problem doesnβt seem to be going away.
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The latest update which rolled out for the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 in China last night has left Chinese users flooding the MIUI forums with complaints for patchy and even failing WIFI.
We suggest that if you are asked to update your Redmi Note 3 you wait until another update or fix comes along which solves WIFI issues.
A bit odd that a major problem like this surfaces out of the blue with a soc that’s out for over a year now. Or there’s something wrong with the software, or a faulty batch of socs rolled from the MT production line. Might be worth the trouble investigating that line.
By the way: my own Note 3 has no problem whatsoever.
Problem lays in Xiaomi’s politics of using components from different suppliers in different examples of the same model.
One of them is fine, while the other will fail.
That’s not just Xiaomi, most large phone companies do this. They have to some components are in shorter supply than others.
The Helio X10 soc comes from one supplier, Mediatek. So that can’t be the issue here.
thats my say as well, as it was ok until the “UPDATE” wich has been the similar issue among other with same wifi-related problem.
I SAY SOFTWARE CODERS ARE TO BLAME HAHAHAHA
I think he was referring to how they sometimes use multiple camera sensors in the same mode (Samsung and Sony). But that is something even Samsung does, supply and demand.
Miui *ucks upp something other with every new update.
They have some issues wich they are not fixing even after long complaints of users, updating irrelevant stuff (calendar fixes, contact list and similar things with wich no other producers have any problems, except Xiaomi) every 7 days, and not fixing real bugs.
Some updates fix small issues like the stuff you mentioned, others fix major issues. I would rather have the weekly updates than none at all like on Samsung, which has a broken mess in Touchwhiz.
Another problem is, it’s not just smal updates (like the ones Samsung DOES do) it is WHOLE OS. 500-700MB, and you must flash phone every 2 weeks.
The last update my wife got on her Galaxy S6 was 600 MB….
That was Samsung of the old. Their new software is much more reliable. Having used the galaxy 6 for a few weeks I can it’s much more streamlined.
My wife has the S6, it’s still terrible.
It is way behind even redmi 1s, which has onli 2/3 of Mi4i ‘s battery capacity, and still can achieve better battery life.
I’m so glad I got rid of this phone.
Xiaomi never again.
buy elephone if you not happy
So he can go from “not happy” to “miserable”? That’s like saying if you’re not happy with your Mercedes by a bicycle that’s missing the handlebars and only has one wheel.
ouch!
I think you are wrong. He would be a happy man then.
He would be happy with a phone that breaks after a few months and has horrible support? We must have a different definition of the word “happy”.
He was trying to be sarcastic
My crusade against all things Elephone doesn’t recognize sarcasm.
YEAH I HAVE TAKEN ACCOUNT ON THAT!! HAHAHAHAHA
Did you ever had one???
Don’t you see how happy a man in the picture is? π
I didn’t see the picture at first. It didn’t show up on my phone.
Me too, I got a LeTV x600 instead and I’m more than happy with it.
I can’t get rid of Mi4i, no one wants that peace of cr*p…. And now after all troubles with MIUI, overheating and bad battery life, i got yellow stein on screen (7 months old phone) and of course, Xioami don’t give international guarantee to it’s EU and USA buyers… So, now i can just wait for Sammy to come out with S7, and buy it on 1 year contract with my operator (wich will cost me less than this so called “flagship” off contact)
But Mi4i it’s not a flagship.
Hugo Barra says it is. Of course, we all know he lies
Qualcomm for the win!
But no, seriously… Pay the money and you get the quality, I love the specs and price ratio of Mediatek SOCs but they always seem to have some sort of problem…
MT6592, GPS Issues.
MT6752, Battery usage issues.
Helio X10, Wifi issues.
Anyone care to add to this list?
I’ll add to the list: Snapdragon 615 terribly weak, 820 overheat and throttling, 210 and 410 are worthless and overpriced. Could go on.
SD801 was Great though! π And the 800 was good too, 805 was alright, 808 is good…
My only experience with an 801 is the Note Pro which was terribly laggy but I imagine that was a combo of touchwiz and trying to power 1600p screen with the GPU it has.
It was probably software related. The older Samsung touchwiz was a mess.
That’s TouchWhiz it is one of the worst UI’s on Android.
It struggled with games too.
Sources about the SD820?
I haven’t read anything pointing to those issues. Or you meant the SD810?
There was some reports I don’t know if I really believe them or if it’s just hype from the 810’s problems:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/qualcomm-refutes-snapdragon-820-overheating-reports-ahead-of-tuesday-launch-763690
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Snapdragon-820-chipset-reportedly-overheats-in-testing-Samsung-to-the-rescue_id75133
o.o O.O OHHH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN!! (HOPEFULLY they willfix this ASAP)
or else THIS will be the year MTK is really going to take advantage of it with all their up and ready cheap LTE ready SoCs and then the lurking X20 and the late party comer x30 on the way.
I meant 810 sorry but I have heard the 820 gets hot too.
You’re making yourself an easy target.
Gizchina is a SoC blog before being a smartphone one and there are a lot of Mediatek fans.
Jokes apart, i’m sure you’re going to get a lot of replies but truth is that those issues you listed are real and proven already.
I’m trying to figure out what is the deal with X10, it seems more a software problem rather than an hardware one.
I’m wondering if Mediatek still doesn’t release the whole documentation or if they have terrible coders for drivers
I know, I just felt like stirring it up a little, was a bit bored this morning… haha!
Ha! Have fun then, they are coming to get you!
Attacking a fanboys SoC is like insulting their first born child.
My favorite groups to mess with are the Samsung fanboys and PC gamers.
I use two X10 (MX5 and just got a Blu Pure XL) phones now have had zero WiFi issues. So I am not sure what has been proven.
how’s the battery life on the Blu Pure XL?
seems like a great phone for the money but I see quite a few complaints of lousy battery life
I have had it about 3 days now and each day it lasts just about a full workday before I need to charge it again (my work day is 8-3)
I got it for free to try out from a month courtesy of Blu so I really can’t complain too much lol.
That’s another phone i’ve have read so many bad reviewes on Amazon from people that don’t even know what a SoC is.
And mostly it was about WiFi.
In 3 days I have used it all around Boston indoors, outdoors and haven’t had any wifi issues.
i have used mime in several places several networks, and all is fine. mine does a one day and a half in “moderate use” . then under heavy use i waist it after 18 hours or a full day. but it is great to look at and @balcobomber25:disqus can emulate the screen on this thing wonderfull, i just think that they cheated the battery in order to make it work for a full day given that it has to move such a screen so nicely and fast.
That’s another phone I’ve been so close to buy it.
The reviewers on Amazon made doubtful.
What about the software?
Do you like it?
The software it brings “CAREFREE” launcher is decent and has great features like double tap to TURN OFF the display, that’s besides all the regular OFF-Screen gestures.
There is a video from Flossy-Carter where a button to dismiss all recent apps is not found and one has to manually dismiss one by one. I contacted BLU and they did answer!!! About that: shake the device a bit and that is IT, they all go at the same time.
There is no FM radio as per hardware litimations but I suspect it is blocked due to BLU-AMAZON relationship for all the music they want you to buy. So I guess that’s the only locked down feature.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/reviews/B01612PVV8/ref=cm_cr_pr_redirect_aw?ie=UTF8
Under that Link, look for one called:
“”SUPPLEMENTAL USER GUIDE for BLU Pure XL BLU’s official User Guide for the Pure XL is rather skimpy””
That’s a really good one and helped me find how to turn off NOISE CANCELLATION feature.
After all I downloaded the NOVA. LAUNCHER as I said I would but the stupid carefree is growing on me so I see why they decided not to go drawer.bound this time.
Thanks for the reply, I wish I read it few hours ago.
My phone died completely and my wife pushed me to buy one now and not later because I need to answer to her texts.
I already ordered the Redmi Note 3 Pro (sd650 version).
I already know I’ll regret it (especially when the MI5 will come out)
What phone did you have???
And as @balco will and I can recommend you, the MX5 or the PURE XL will be excellent choices.
Something to know is if you are in the USA you could get a refurbished one from Amazon at $54 dollar discount at 296. And even you could get express next day delivery at a 13 dollar or so extra.
Hope that helps.
You can always cancel the other product if you ask her nicely… Cheers
I have a MI4 and I broke the screen for the second time.
I could order another screen but the ones sold on Aliexpress are not original and last really short.
I actually had the conversation with Balco asking about the MX5 and he said that for the price maybe the Note 3 with 16 more GB of storage and a bigger battery could have been a better deal.
I’ll give it a try, in curious about this phone, if it won’t satisfy me I can always sell it on eBay at $80 cheaper.
I’ll keep everybody posted
Hope it does great, I bough the wife a blu energy x plus (yes the one with the front facing FLASH as well) she a happy camper now?
You’re going to make Balcobomber proud of you.
He loves Blu and Gionee more than his mother!
News ::: sorry I just checked how good the new Redmi note 3 Pro is. Hope it lives to it’s spec’s reputation and brand… It does look really good.
I really can’t live with the limitations of low storage as data service I get in the Dominican in my plan is not unlimited to be uploading back and forth my stuff. I do get a lot of things to store. So my next device will always have to be up from 64gb or besides the 64gigs have an SD.Reader to compensate as this XL does. Really enjoying it ????, to the point where I wonder how much faster a SoC + OS can deliver over this. Battery life have been great until the day my wife got hers wich is a low runner with a big 4000mah battery now I’m envious. ?…
So I will hope for the Elife E9 to be something similar to that ONION device that @balcoBomber25 denies to mention, wich if not hype sounds great, I kind of fell biased to many cores WICH in turn heads me to like MTK SoCs the better but I won’t mind a good old Qualcomm is the price is right…
I like to look at the phone whole, Mediatek or Qualcomm really means little to me.
I actually was even happy even with my old MT6589, considering what I paid for it.
I don’t have unlimited data either, I’m on 3GB plan with AT&T and it’s plenty for me because I have WiFi hotspots almost wherever I go.
Cloud is working so far (for the reason I mentioned above) but I need at least 32GB on my phone.
Battery: that’s no too big battery for me, the bigger the better and fast charge of course.
Great to know. That’s also why I said that the SHALLOTS phone that’s on the way I would like it to live up to its Hype, as it would be really nice. ?
The shallots? Which one? The golden one that costs $1900? π
Nop. I mean the one bound to show-up at $300.oo ?
I sold the Mi4 to a friend at work and it totally loves it. Its a shame the screen broke as its a great phone
I don;t think you will regret it, that sounds like an awesome phone.
To me it’s an erie feeling when after plugin it just for 23 minutes or so it gets to 50% battery ? is really fast but scares me? at the same time if it will hurt the battery somehow. Any ways really happy on that regard. Full 0-to-100% charge happens in 1hour25minutes for me battery being 3500mah.
Cheers
i get 4:40 on screen time on usual “heavy” games like GanstarVegas and Asphalt8 but a full 27 hours of regular use are my regular. ive had it WITHOUT 3rd party battery crap to help it. so thast the real deal and mine is 37 days or so with me by now.
There are people who suffers of WiFi issues. The reason?
I don’t know, but It’s safe to say that if you get a phone with X10 you “might” suffer of WiFi problems under certain conditions.
The article suggests that it might be a software problem.
the Note 3 owners start to complain after last update (which means they had no problem before that right?)
I kinda agree with Adam, which I believe he was just making a joke but at the same time he wanted to send a message:
I personally stay away from phones that have been “rumored” (at least until proven or proven wrong) having issues because I don’t want to chance it (I’m that kind of unlucky person that it’s not even funny).
From what I can gather of it, it’s people using the Redmi Note 3 Developer ROM that are experiencing the issues. Xiaomi even admits that particular ROM has WIFI issues. Seems like it isn’t chip related at all but linked specifically to their software.
I really want to buy a blu pure xl but I am from Europe sadly I don’t think I can, from what I saw its on off the best phones for the bucks.
See if Amazon will ship it to your country, they do ship internationally.
I will look into it, thanks.
Ewen a simple mutex lock in WiFi driver or its interferencing with rest of kernel infrastructure can case WiFi to fail & probably this is exact thing what is happening. All do it will be hard to track & isolate exact bug I would like to remind all the wonderful people who have or had similar problem that all of their complaints don’t mean a shit without catched log cats.
This isn’t something strange to happen nor new, it’s not hardware problem just a software one.
Only passing by to say:
– a few 6752 phones, that I have used, had NO battery issues whatsoever… And BTW, it is a really balanced/powerful SOC (you can forget about 45-49k antutu points it has too, I mean in real life usage).
– helio x10 has also ZERO WiFi issues, really. I have also tested three helio phones and no problems.
Where are these “proven” issues?xDD
From your list there is only proven on 6592, with poor GPS signal, although it was relative good solved in phones with good antennas on board.
Snapdragon has also issues… 810, 615, 400, 410… It is really annoying to hear fanboy comments. And this article is really biased. It is a xiaomi software problem (and maybe phone design too)
Cheers
I will add a few:
Snapdragon 410 – terrible performance
Snapdragon 615 – throttling
Snapdragon 810 – overheating, throttling, battery drain
What was that about Qualcomm for the win? π
Note: I am not a fanboy of any SoC company. But to say one is better quality is pure BS, they all have issues. Really if you want quality get a Exnyos.
Everyone’s too serious round here… Tut tut…
I just can’t stand SoC fanboy wars. I try to put out the flames whenever I read them.
Hey Balco, fair enough, but I’m certainly not a SoC fanboy… If it works, I’ll buy it that’s the way I work.
The only thing I am admittedly a fanboy about is the whole iOS vs Android thing, can’t stand that Apple logo and what it stands for personally but that’s the only time I’ll get passionate about sh1t…
The only reason for my outburst here is that my little brother is saving hard currently for a Redmi Note 3 and I told him it’d be a good phone for the money, but if it’s now turning out to not have that ‘famous’ Xiaomi quality about it and experiencing silly issues then I’ve now got to tell him to either save a little harder for the SD650 variant or maybe go for the LeTv/Lenovo rival products…
The problem with this whole Redmi issue, is the inconsistencies. For every comment I read about it, I read two more saying it doesn’t exist. I know people who have a Redmi Note 3 and have no issues whatsoever. Which makes me think it is tied to a specific ROM, the developer ROM. Which most people won’t be using to begin with.
As for iOS, I don’t like how locked down it is but I can admit Apple has tremendous job on optimizing it.
agree on everything. then again if
the people at samsung only were to dealt with the galaxy S line
the people at S O N Y only were to dealt with the xperia Z line
the people at HTC only decided to dealt with the G line
bla bla bla
you got the point
SOFTWARE OPTIMIZATIONHAS TO BE GREAT WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE 1 DEVICE TO DEAL WITH…
IF YOU GUYS THINK DIFFERENT FEEL FREE TO REPLY
True but Xiaomi has more than just the Redmi line and they continue to support older products. The newest update that was released today will work on 15 Xiaomi devices.
thats what makes them an affable and lovable brand , i guess..
I get what you mean but I mean that if they were to Fully optimize one device for their tweaked version of Android then the results would be different.
don’t get me wrong it must be nice to get constant updates.
BUT I would rather have a device that’s great out of the box because the took time to optimize it for the OS they would use for it from the beginning and that’s where the comparison with the fruit-named company relied.
2016 “”is not just Updates but SUCCESSFUL software integration+optimization that will mark the difference””
tell him to save harder AND wait for MWC . no ?
now now … i just put the fires out.
i KNEW u were joking , read my previous response above π
my wife had the SD615 in her Alcatel Idol 3 that she destroyed. Now I gave her a ZTE Zmax 2 with the SD410 ($80 phone) and I’m amazed that it is way snappier than the Idol 3 was. I seriously have a hard time believing that its running the SD410, it zips along just as fast as my SD800 LG G2.
The Idol 3 5.5″ is amazing phone. Their is much that can be done about swappiness on kernel side.
Try to compare a Moto G performance to both S615 & MT6752 – MT6753 then make bold claims.
http://media.bestofmicro.com/P/W/555620/original/honor-5x-chart-2.png
I still claim MT6732 whole the best SoC among them all last year but MTK fucked up providing no support for it.
I don’t compare based on benchmarks, i compare based on actual usage. Which 6732 phone did you use?
Ouu pore honey but PC Mark is designed to measure a more a like real usage scenarios, all do its not perfect. It’s either that or no comparison at all!
Benchmarks will never give the same result as actual usage no matter how they are designed.
That true but this one is at least designed to measure a real usage task arias. The MT6732 software stuck whole bad from the start but still it’s best designed one of them all (for real usage).
Now don’t tell me you had all of those phones listed there more than 6 months so you actually know real usage performance & cetera.
Nope but I have used a phone with a 6732, 6752, 615 and 410 and out of all those the 6752 was the best in overall performance followed by 6732, 615 and 410.
I WILL SAY OPTIMIZATION, software optimization that is. makes great strives
I actually like the 615+ (the 650, 652 now) .. the 650 is performance wise remarkably like the Helio P10 but with twice the GPU power. The 615 is probably a bit weaker than that.
Anyway, I responded because if you look at the price of the Moto G 3rd gen, it compares better to a Helio P10-based phone than it does to a MT6753 based phone.
That kinda makes it a coin toss. Want the absolute cheapest? Take the MT6753 β these can be found for under $80 now. Want better gaming perf, and don’t mind spending $100 more? Snapdragon 615. Want better multitasking instead, at the cost of gaming? For only about $50 more than the MT6753, there are Helio P10 solutions. Want a no compromises mid ranger? Wait for a snpadragon 650 to come to your market.
It whosent about pricing.
There are & sub 100$ phones with S410 you know. What you get from Motorola anyhow is long term software suport (2+ years) & two years warranty & that is worth something.
Actuality their is no 80$ MT6753 phone’s, you will hardly even find a decent enough MT6735 one for that price (witch actually is almost comparable to the MT67523 ones [MT6735 @ 1.3 GHz]).
wait ? 615+ is the 650 ?!?!
ohh, no sir. the… I think they were the 618 and the 620. I was saying “from the level of the 615 up” in that bracket.
yes , exactly.
650 = rebranded 618
652 = rebranded 620
thanks for clearing that price bit up
its a damn shame we dont see the 6732 in sub $100 phones now … it would be a true GIANT KILLA !
weird decision by MTK to scupper support for this baby , which would have won them pretty much a SIZEABLE chunk of low end market !
It looks like that they don’t want to win.
New announced trio is worse than MT6732 – MT6752.
exactly …. WHO ON EARTH WOULDNT WANNA WIN!
an imbecile maybe ?
but being pro-MTK , i’ll always hold that tiny bit of anticipation , appreciation , expectation and exhilaration for ANY of their upcoming CPUs !
so , i’ll politely disagree here and urge everyone to wait on real-life usage for the upcoming Chips.
Well Muhammad I ment on this trio & believe me it will be worse in GPU part.
http://i2.wp.com/www.gizchina.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2016/01/s_a10380c4cd9c4066b4833e5de1de80ea.jpg?w=600
exactly , its v.hard to understand why on earth would they desert a better SoC for a weaker one !
i think the x12 is a fake … sad reality but i guess these things come and go in the market !
im VERY disappointed at the fact that not ONE of these use the A72 cores but i’ll wait for reviews and real time performance first.
over to the GPU … dont u think that the T860 will make a difference ?
I don’t think X12 is a fake & I do think it will have a good adaption in lower mid range.
A72 cores are a lot bigger (3x in size compared to A53) so don’t expect to see them in lower end SoC’s anytime soon.
The Mali T8xx series will bring up to 16~18% more performance compared to T7xx series. They will bring & up to 40% performance upgrade as ARM claimed but only when hardware testilation unit is used & that won’t happen any time soon. How ever thanks to incised cluster size thanks to added testilation block they are pricier to produce. Think that Mali T860 MP2 at 550MHz would be pretty much a good choice for HD displays & along with quad core A53 @1.5 GHz CPU’s integrated on chip cellular radio would bring a very decent balanced user experience. This would be a worthy successor of MT6732 & would consume a little less power (as MT6732 didn’t had on chip integrated radio).
I am certain everyone hire would agree that this would be a stellar choice for 100$ phones & that everyone of us would like one like that.
damn it … no A72 cores in budget phones .. π
i do like the rest of your idea … and i really do hope to see something in the mould , esp considering the fact that i’ve been hunting for a cheap phone myself π
Yes I know… & for a very long time now.
Someone posted a link to a interesting cheap one around hire couple of days ago.
http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_273259.html?gclid=CjwKEAiA8qG1BRDz0tmK0pufw3QSJACfn6olENRMHTc64zPda5p7emfJB2Fy4X6Fg5FjRM-LzPRlihoCLxDw_wcB
Probably rare camera is 8 MP interpolated one & battery is certainly not that capacity but it’s a big one probably 2600~2800 mAha one.
Not bad for 80$.
But don’t buy it until you read at least one decent review of it that you can trust.
Exynos phones are too expensive π , at least for me.
but honestly, i think its not MTK this time. MIUI maybe ?
also … i think Adam was just jesting :p
You won’t get quality but at least you have Artheus open stuck WiFi driver’s.
I WOULD SAY AGAIN SEVERAL TIMES
“”IF IT AIN’T BROKE DON’T FIX IT””
then again, it’s not the WIFI to blame, blame lazy coders that forget to go back and double check their stuff before sending it out. they were, ((and i mean they as in most of the devices and brands refering to this issue)) working ok before the MESS happened.
there must be a sentence thats needs to be altered in some of these new updates to comply with the SoCs standars and they are not putting the string on the finger to remember it.
i don’t think its an MTK issue this time. more like something fishy….
dont you see … its not the x10. its the gaddamn miui coders who prolly got something wrong with the network code.
if anything , we should thanks the MTK for allowing us access to cheaper phones !
else , Vivos would cost $1k + and the redmi series would start from $600+ !
I got miui 77.0.11.0 version, no Wi-Fi problems here.
Have MIUI 7.1.7.0 on Redmi Note 3 and my phone updated as it always does. I haven’t experienced any problems what so ever.
A bit odd that a major problem like this surfaces out of the blue with a soc that’s out for over a year now. Or there’s something wrong with the software, or a faulty batch of socs rolled from the MT production line. Might be worth the trouble investigating that line.
By the way: my own Note 3 has no problem whatsoever.
Problem lays in Xiaomi’s politics of using components from different suppliers in different examples of the same model.
One of them is fine, while the other will fail.
Miui *ucks upp something other with every new update.
They have some issues wich they are not fixing even after long complaints of users, updating irrelevant stuff (calendar fixes, contact list and similar things with wich no other producers have any problems, except Xiaomi) every 7 days, and not fixing real bugs.
That’s not just Xiaomi, most large phone companies do this. They have to some components are in shorter supply than others.
Some updates fix small issues like the stuff you mentioned, others fix major issues. I would rather have the weekly updates than none at all like on Samsung, which has a broken mess in Touchwhiz.
Another problem is, it’s not just smal updates (like the ones Samsung DOES do) it is WHOLE OS. 500-700MB, and you must flash phone every 2 weeks.
It is way behind even redmi 1s, which has onli 2/3 of Mi4i ‘s battery capacity, and still can achieve better battery life.
The Helio X10 soc comes from one supplier, Mediatek. So that can’t be the issue here.
My wife has the S6, it’s still terrible.
The last update my wife got on her Galaxy S6 was 600 MB….
thats my say as well, as it was ok until the “UPDATE” wich has been the similar issue among other with same wifi-related problem.
I SAY SOFTWARE CODERS ARE TO BLAME HAHAHAHA
I think he was referring to how they sometimes use multiple camera sensors in the same mode (Samsung and Sony). But that is something even Samsung does, supply and demand.
I’m so glad I got rid of this phone.
Xiaomi never again.
buy elephone if you not happy
Me too, I got a LeTV x600 instead and I’m more than happy with it.
I can’t get rid of Mi4i, no one wants that peace of cr*p…. And now after all troubles with MIUI, overheating and bad battery life, i got yellow stein on screen (7 months old phone) and of course, Xioami don’t give international guarantee to it’s EU and USA buyers… So, now i can just wait for Sammy to come out with S7, and buy it on 1 year contract with my operator (wich will cost me less than this so called “flagship” off contact)
So he can go from “not happy” to “miserable”? That’s like saying if you’re not happy with your Mercedes buy a bicycle that’s missing the handlebars and only has one wheel.
ouch!
I think you are wrong. He would be a happy man then.
He would be happy with a phone that breaks after a few months and has horrible support? We must have a different definition of the word “happy”.
He was trying to be sarcastic
Don’t you see how happy a man in the picture is? π
My crusade against all things Elephone doesn’t recognize sarcasm.
I didn’t see the picture at first. It didn’t show up on my phone.
YEAH I HAVE TAKEN ACCOUNT ON THAT!! HAHAHAHAHA
But Mi4i it’s not a flagship.
Did you ever had one???
Hugo Barra says it is. Of course, we all know he lies
Article is lacking details. Was this the weekly developer rom or a new stable build? I see on the MIUI forum that developer rom 6.1.28 for this week was suspended for the Redmi Note 2 and 3 due to wifi issue.
Just the .28 for this week. Its already fixed in .29 now I believe. I don’t see the need of this article.
Qualcomm for the win!
But no, seriously… Pay the money and you get the quality, I love the specs and price ratio of Mediatek SOCs but they always seem to have some sort of problem…
MT6592, GPS Issues.
MT6752, Battery usage issues.
Helio X10, Wifi issues.
Anyone care to add to this list?
I’ll add to the list: Snapdragon 615 terribly weak, 820 overheat and throttling, 210 and 410 are worthless and overpriced. Could go on.
You’re making yourself an easy target.
Gizchina is a SoC blog before being a smartphone one and there are a lot of Mediatek fans.
Jokes apart, i’m sure you’re going to get a lot of replies but truth is that those issues you listed are real and proven already.
I’m trying to figure out what is the deal with X10, it seems more a software problem rather than an hardware one.
I’m wondering if Mediatek still doesn’t release the whole documentation or if they have terrible coders for drivers
I know, I just felt like stirring it up a little, was a bit bored this morning… haha!
SD801 was Great though! π And the 800 was good too, 805 was alright, 808 is good…
Ha! Have fun then, they are coming to get you!
Sources about the SD820?
I haven’t read anything pointing to those issues. Or you meant the SD810?
Only passing by to say:
– a few 6752 phones, that I have used, had NO battery issues whatsoever… And BTW, it is a really balanced/powerful SOC (you can forget about 45-49k antutu points it has too, I mean in real life usage).
– helio x10 has also ZERO WiFi issues, really. I have also tested three helio phones and no problems.
Where are these “proven” issues?xDD
From your list there is only proven on 6592, with poor GPS signal, although it was relative good solved in phones with good antennas on board.
Snapdragon has also issues… 810, 615, 400, 410… It is really annoying to hear fanboy comments. And this article is really biased. It is a xiaomi software problem (and maybe phone design too)
Cheers
I use two X10 (MX5 and just got a Blu Pure XL) phones now have had zero WiFi issues. So I am not sure what has been proven.
I will add a few:
Snapdragon 410 – terrible performance
Snapdragon 615 – throttling
Snapdragon 810 – overheating, throttling, battery drain
What was that about Qualcomm for the win? π
Note: I am not a fanboy of any SoC company. But to say one is better quality is pure BS, they all have issues. Really if you want quality get a Exnyos.
There was some reports I don’t know if I really believe them or if it’s just hype from the 810’s problems:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/qualcomm-refutes-snapdragon-820-overheating-reports-ahead-of-tuesday-launch-763690
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Snapdragon-820-chipset-reportedly-overheats-in-testing-Samsung-to-the-rescue_id75133
Everyone’s too serious round here… Tut tut…
I just can’t stand SoC fanboy wars. I try to put out the flames whenever I read them.
Hey Balco, fair enough, but I’m certainly not a SoC fanboy… If it works, I’ll buy it that’s the way I work.
The only thing I am admittedly a fanboy about is the whole iOS vs Android thing, can’t stand that Apple logo and what it stands for personally but that’s the only time I’ll get passionate about sh1t…
The only reason for my outburst here is that my little brother is saving hard currently for a Redmi Note 3 and I told him it’d be a good phone for the money, but if it’s now turning out to not have that ‘famous’ Xiaomi quality about it and experiencing silly issues then I’ve now got to tell him to either save a little harder for the SD650 variant or maybe go for the LeTv/Lenovo rival products…
The problem with this whole Redmi issue, is the inconsistencies. For every comment I read about it, I read two more saying it doesn’t exist. I know people who have a Redmi Note 3 and have no issues whatsoever. Which makes me think it is tied to a specific ROM, the developer ROM. Which most people won’t be using to begin with.
As for iOS, I don’t like how locked down it is but I can admit Apple has tremendous job on optimizing it.
Attacking a fanboys SoC is like insulting their first born child.
My favorite groups to mess with are the Samsung fanboys and PC gamers.
my wife had the SD615 in her Alcatel Idol 3 that she destroyed. Now I gave her a ZTE Zmax 2 with the SD410 ($80 phone) and I’m amazed that it is way snappier than the Idol 3 was. I seriously have a hard time believing that its running the SD410, it zips along just as fast as my SD800 LG G2.
how’s the battery life on the Blu Pure XL?
seems like a great phone for the money but I see quite a few complaints of lousy battery life
I have had it about 3 days now and each day it lasts just about a full workday before I need to charge it again (my work day is 8-3)
I got it for free to try out from a month courtesy of Blu so I really can’t complain too much lol.
There are people who suffers of WiFi issues. The reason?
I don’t know, but It’s safe to say that if you get a phone with X10 you “might” suffer of WiFi problems under certain conditions.
The article suggests that it might be a software problem.
the Note 3 owners start to complain after last update (which means they had no problem before that right?)
I kinda agree with Adam, which I believe he was just making a joke but at the same time he wanted to send a message:
I personally stay away from phones that have been “rumored” (at least until proven or proven wrong) having issues because I don’t want to chance it (I’m that kind of unlucky person that it’s not even funny).
That’s another phone i’ve have read so many bad reviewes on Amazon from people that don’t even know what a SoC is.
And mostly it was about WiFi.
From what I can gather of it, it’s people using the Redmi Note 3 Developer ROM that are experiencing the issues. Xiaomi even admits that particular ROM has WIFI issues. Seems like it isn’t chip related at all but linked specifically to their software.
In 3 days I have used it all around Boston indoors, outdoors and haven’t had any wifi issues.
I meant 810 sorry but I have heard the 820 gets hot too.
My only experience with an 801 is the Note Pro which was terribly laggy but I imagine that was a combo of touchwiz and trying to power 1600p screen with the GPU it has.
You won’t get quality but at least you have Artheus open stuck WiFi driver’s.
Try to compare a Moto G performance to both S615 & MT6752 – MT6753 then make bold claims.
I still claim MT6732 whole the best SoC among them all last year but MTK fucked up providing no support for it.
The Idol 3 5.5″ is amazing phone. Their is much that can be done about swappiness on kernel side.
Ewen a simple mutex lock (not working as it should) in WiFi driver or its interferencing with rest of kernel infrastructure can case WiFi to fail & probably this is exact thing what is happening. All do it will be hard to track & isolate exact bug I would like to remind all the wonderful people who have or had similar problem that all of their complaints don’t mean a shit without catched log cats.
This isn’t something strange to happen nor new, it’s not hardware problem just a software one.
I don’t compare based on benchmarks, i compare based on actual usage. Which 6732 phone did you use?
Ouu pore honey but PC Mark is designed to measure a more a like real usage scenarios, all do its not perfect. It’s either that or no comparison at all!
Benchmarks will never give the same result as actual usage no matter how they are designed.
That true but this one is at least designed to measure a real usage task arias. The MT6732 software stuck whose bad from the start but still it’s best designed one of them all (for real usage).
Now don’t tell me you had all of those phones listed there more than 6 months so you actually know real usage performance & cetera.
I actually like the 615+ (the 650, 652 now) .. the 650 is performance wise remarkably like the Helio P10 but with twice the GPU power. The 615 is probably a bit weaker than that.
Anyway, I responded because if you look at the price of the Moto G 3rd gen, it compares better to a Helio P10-based phone than it does to a MT6753 based phone.
That kinda makes it a coin toss. Want the absolute cheapest? Take the MT6753 β these can be found for under $80 now. Want better gaming perf, and don’t mind spending $100 more? Snapdragon 615. Want better multitasking instead, at the cost of gaming? For only about $50 more than the MT6753, there are Helio P10 solutions. Want a no compromises mid ranger? Wait for a snapdragon 650 to come to your market.
It whosent about pricing.
There are & sub 100$ phones with S410 you know. What you get from Motorola anyhow is long term software suport (2+ years) & two years warranty & that is worth something.
Actuality their is no 80$ MT6753 phone’s, you will hardly even find a decent enough MT6735 one for that price (witch actually is almost comparable to the MT67523 ones [MT6735 @ 1.3 GHz]).
I really want to buy a blu pure xl but I am from Europe sadly I don’t think I can, from what I saw its on off the best phones for the bucks.
See if Amazon will ship it to your country, they do ship internationally.
Nope but I have used a phone with a 6732, 6752, 615 and 410 and out of all those the 6752 was the best in overall performance followed by 6732, 615 and 410.
I WOULD SAY AGAIN SEVERAL TIMES
“”IF IT AIN’T BROKE DON’T FIX IT””
then again, it’s not the WIFI to blame, blame lazy coders that forget to go back and double check their stuff before sending it out. they were, ((and i mean they as in most of the devices and brands refering to this issue)) working ok before the MESS happened.
there must be a sentence thats needs to be altered in some of these new updates to comply with the SoCs standars and they are not putting the string on the finger to remember it.
o.o O.O OHHH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN!! (HOPEFULLY they willfix this ASAP)
or else THIS will be the year MTK is really going to take advantage of it with all their up and ready cheap LTE ready SoCs and then the lurking X20 and the late party comer x30 on the way.
i have used mime in several places several networks, and all is fine. mine does a one day and a half in “moderate use” . then under heavy use i waist it after 18 hours or a full day. but it is great to look at and @balcobomber25:disqus can emulate the screen on this thing wonderfull, i just think that they cheated the battery in order to make it work for a full day given that it has to move such a screen so nicely and fast.
i get 4:40 on screen time on usual “heavy” games like GanstarVegas and Asphalt8 but a full 27 hours of regular use are my regular. i’ve had it WITHOUT 3rd party battery crap to help it. so thast the real deal and mine is 37 days or so with me by now.
agree on everything. then again if
the people at samsung only were to dealt with the galaxy S line
the people at S O N Y only were to dealt with the xperia Z line
the people at HTC only decided to dealt with the G line
bla bla bla
you got the point
SOFTWARE OPTIMIZATIONHAS TO BE GREAT WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE 1 DEVICE TO DEAL WITH…
IF YOU GUYS THINK DIFFERENT FEEL FREE TO REPLY
I WILL SAY OPTIMIZATION, software optimization that is. makes great strives
That’s another phone I’ve been so close to buy it.
The reviewers on Amazon made doubtful.
What about the software?
Do you like it?
True but Xiaomi has more than just the Redmi line and they continue to support older products. The newest update that was released today will work on 15 Xiaomi devices.
I will look into it, thanks.
i don’t think its an MTK issue this time. more like something fishy….
dont you see … its not the x10. its the gaddamn miui coders who prolly got something wrong with the network code.
if anything , we should thanks the MTK for allowing us access to cheaper phones !
else , Vivos would cost $1k + and the redmi series would start from $600+ !
Exynos phones are too expensive π , at least for me.
but honestly, i think its not MTK this time. MIUI maybe ?
also … i think Adam was just jesting :p
its a damn shame we dont see the 6732 in sub $100 phones now … it would be a true GIANT KILLA !
weird decision by MTK to scupper support for this baby , which would have won them pretty much a SIZEABLE chunk of low end market !
wait ? 615+ is the 650 ?!?!
tell him to save harder AND wait for MWC . no ?
thats what makes them an affable and lovable brand , i guess..
now now … i just put the fires out.
i KNEW u were joking , read my previous response above π
It looks like that they don’t want to win.
New announced trio is worse than MT6732 – MT6752.
exactly …. WHO ON EARTH WOULDNT WANNA WIN!
an imbecile maybe ?
but being pro-MTK , i’ll always hold that tiny bit of anticipation , appreciation , expectation and exhilaration for ANY of their upcoming CPUs !
so , i’ll politely disagree here and urge everyone to wait on real-life usage for the upcoming Chips.
Well Muhammad I ment on this trio & believe me it will be worse in GPU part.
So the question is why they didn’t just updated previous rather good design with new GPU & on chip cellular radio keeping the frequencies the same instead of making a much worse setup?
Hard to understand why don’t you think?
Somehow I like only X12 (updated X10 with GX6250 GPU that should been in original X10 in the first place) from everything they announced this year as this one is logical upgrade & will be a better product than it’s predecessor wile costing the same to produce.
exactly , its v.hard to understand why on earth would they desert a better SoC for a weaker one !
i think the x12 is a fake … sad reality but i guess these things come and go in the market !
im VERY disappointed at the fact that not ONE of these use the A72 cores but i’ll wait for reviews and real time performance first.
over to the GPU … dont u think that the T860 will make a difference ?
I don’t think X12 is a fake & I do think it will have a good adaption in lower mid range.
A72 cores are a lot bigger (3x in size compared to A53) so don’t expect to see them in lower end SoC’s anytime soon.
The Mali T8xx series will bring up to 16~18% more performance compared to T7xx series. They will bring & up to 40% performance upgrade as ARM claimed but only when hardware testilation unit is used & that won’t happen any time soon. How ever thanks to incised cluster size thanks to added testilation block they are pricier to produce. Think that Mali T860 MP2 at 550MHz would be pretty much a good choice for HD displays & along with quad core A53 @1.5 GHz CPU’s integrated on chip cellular radio would bring a very decent balanced user experience. This would be a worthy successor of MT6732 & would consume a little less power (as MT6732 didn’t had on chip integrated radio).
I am certain everyone hire would agree that this would be a stellar choice for 100$ phones & that everyone of us would like one like that.
damn it … no A72 cores in budget phones .. π
i do like the rest of your idea … and i really do hope to see something in the mould , esp considering the fact that i’ve been hunting for a cheap phone myself π
The software it brings “CAREFREE” launcher is decent and has great features like double tap to TURN OFF the display, that’s besides all the regular OFF-Screen gestures.
There is a video from Flossy-Carter where a button to dismiss all recent apps is not found and one has to manually dismiss one by one. I contacted BLU and they did answer!!! About that: shake the device a bit and that is IT, they all go at the same time.
There is no FM radio as per hardware litimations but I suspect it is blocked due to BLU-AMAZON relationship for all the music they want you to buy. So I guess that’s the only locked down feature.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/reviews/B01612PVV8/ref=cm_cr_pr_redirect_aw?ie=UTF8
Under that Link, look for one called:
“”SUPPLEMENTAL USER GUIDE for BLU Pure XL BLU’s official User Guide for the Pure XL is rather skimpy””
That’s a really good one and helped me find how to turn off NOISE CANCELLATION feature.
After all I downloaded the NOVA. LAUNCHER as I said I would but the stupid carefree is growing on me so I see why they decided not to go drawer.bound this time.
Hope this helps you man.
Even if at this time is maybe nice to wait and save for the upcoming MWC items to show up.
ohh, no sir. the… I think they were the 618 and the 620. I was saying “from the level of the 615 up” in that bracket.
Yes I know… & for a very long time now.
Someone posted a link to a interesting cheap one around hire couple of days ago.
http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_273259.html?gclid=CjwKEAiA8qG1BRDz0tmK0pufw3QSJACfn6olENRMHTc64zPda5p7emfJB2Fy4X6Fg5FjRM-LzPRlihoCLxDw_wcB
Probably rare camera is 8 MP interpolated one & battery is certainly not that capacity but it’s a big one probably 2600~2800 mAha one.
Not bad for 80$.
But don’t buy it until you read at least one decent review of it that you can trust.
Thanks for the reply, I wish I read it few hours ago.
My phone died completely and my wife pushed me to buy one now and not later because I need to answer to her texts.
I already ordered the Redmi Note 3 Pro (sd650 version).
I already know I’ll regret it (especially when the MI5 will come out)
yes , exactly.
650 = rebranded 618
652 = rebranded 620
thanks for clearing that price bit up
What phone did you have???
And as @balco will and I can recommend you, the MX5 or the PURE XL will be excellent choices.
Something to know is if you are in the USA you could get a refurbished one from Amazon at $54 dollar discount at 296. And even you could get express next day delivery at a 13 dollar or so extra.
Hope that helps.
You can always cancel the other product if you ask her nicely… Cheers
I have a MI4 and I broke the screen for the second time.
I could order another screen but the ones sold on Aliexpress are not original and last really short.
I actually had the conversation with Balco asking about the MX5 and he said that for the price maybe the Note 3 with 16 more GB of storage and a bigger battery could have been a better deal.
I’ll give it a try, in curious about this phone, if it won’t satisfy me I can always sell it on eBay at $80 cheaper.
I’ll keep everybody posted
Hope it does great, I bough the wife a blu energy x plus (yes the one with the front facing FLASH as well) she a happy camper nowπ
I don;t think you will regret it, that sounds like an awesome phone.
That’s TouchWhiz it is one of the worst UI’s on Android.
I really can’t live with the limitations of low storage as data service I get in the Dominican in my plan is not unlimited to be uploading back and forth my stuff. I do get a lot of things to store. So my next device will always have to be up from 64gb or besides the 64gigs have an SD.Reader to compensate as this XL does. Really enjoying it ππππ, to the point where I wonder how much faster a SoC + OS can deliver over this. Battery life have been great until the day my wife got hers wich is a low runner with a big 4000mah battery now I’m envious. π…
So I will hope for the Elife E9 to be something similar to that ONION device that @balcoBomber25 denies to mention, wich if not hype sounds great, I kind of fell biased to many cores WICH in turn heads me to like MTK SoCs the better but I won’t mind a good old Qualcomm is the price is right…
I get what you mean but I mean that if they were to Fully optimize one device for their tweaked version of Android then the results would be different.
don’t get me wrong it must be nice to get constant updates.
BUT I would rather have a device that’s great out of the box because the took time to optimize it for the OS they would use for it from the beginning and that’s where the comparison with the fruit-named company relied.
2016 “”is not just Updates but SUCCESSFUL software integration+optimization that will mark the difference””
To me it’s an erie feeling when after plugin it just for 23 minutes or so it gets to 50% battery π¨ is really fast but scares meπ at the same time if it will hurt the battery somehow. Any ways really happy on that regard. Full 0-to-100% charge happens in 1hour25minutes for me battery being 3500mah.
Cheers
You’re going to make Balcobomber proud of you.
He loves Blu and Gionee more than his mother!
I like to look at the phone whole, Mediatek or Qualcomm really means little to me.
I actually was even happy even with my old MT6589, considering what I paid for it.
I don’t have unlimited data either, I’m on 3GB plan with AT&T and it’s plenty for me because I have WiFi hotspots almost wherever I go.
Cloud is working so far (for the reason I mentioned above) but I need at least 32GB on my phone.
Battery: that’s no too big battery for me, the bigger the better and fast charge of course.
News ::: sorry I just checked how good the new Redmi note 3 Pro is. Hope it lives to it’s spec’s reputation and brand… It does look really good.
Great to know. That’s also why I said that the SHALLOTS phone that’s on the way I would like it to live up to its Hype, as it would be really nice. π
The shallots? Which one? The golden one that costs $1900? π
Nop. I mean the one bound to show-up at $300.oo π
I sold the Mi4 to a friend at work and it totally loves it. Its a shame the screen broke as its a great phone
It struggled with games too.
I got miui 77.0.11.0 version, no Wi-Fi problems here.
Have MIUI 7.1.7.0 on Redmi Note 3 and my phone updated as it always does. I haven’t experienced any problems what so ever.
is this the X10 only?
nope. its the redmi note 3 only afaik
It is not affected on three X10 phones I have access too. The Meizu MX5 and Blu Pure XL which are mine and a One M9+ that a friend let me use. So it must be just the Redmi.
Article is lacking details. Was this the weekly developer rom or a new stable build? I see on the MIUI forum that developer rom 6.1.28 for this week was suspended for the Redmi Note 2 and 3 due to wifi issue.
Just the .28 for this week. Its already fixed in .29 now I believe. I don’t see the need of this article.
Xiaomi.eu roms are fine, they delayed the update today for a few hours, fixed the wifi issue and published their latest update with the fix included.
Nothing to see, not a big issue. That’s why I use the Xiaomi.eu roms. They are reliable and add multi-language support.
is this the X10 only?
nope. its the redmi note 3 only afaik
It is not affected on three X10 phones I have access too. The Meizu MX5 and Blu Pure XL which are mine and a One M9+ that a friend let me use. So it must be just the Redmi.
MediaTek SoC = car-run poop splat.
oh please… go clean you litter box , you cat !
Kitty π
roms are fine, they delayed the update today for a few hours, fixed the wifi issue and published their latest update with the fix included.
Nothing to see, not a big issue. That’s why I use the Xiaomi.eu roms. They are reliable and add multi-language support.
MediaTek SoC = car-run poop splat.
oh please… go clean you litter box , you cat !
Kitty π