Mediatek wants to break 70,000 on Antutu with the Helio X20 10 core


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When Mediatek first announced it would make an 8-core chip, Qualcomm made a mocking video only to turn around and build octacore chips themselves. What’s going to be the response to the Helio X20 10 core?

Octacore processors are now the norm. We see them in entry-level phones and flagship phones. The most recent Octacore chips like the MT6752 have been a breakthrough, bringing 64bit and LTE to phones that don’t cost the Earth but can keep up with anything Qualcomm are putting out.

Even with their current success, Mediatek aren’t taking a break and letting rival catch up, and are already hard at work on a 10 core SoC!

This 10 core chip will come under the Helio line of processors and be named the Helio X20. Details are unknown but we can safely say that the processor will be a 64bit chip aiming to tackle the Snapdragon 810 and its successor. Insiders at Mediatek have hinted that the Helio X20 can top 70,000 points on Antutu which will mean a whole new level of budget flagships are in the making.

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81 Comments

  1. David Košič
    April 16, 2015

    It should be noted that in the high-end smartphones the Big.little configuration is the way to go. Mediatek just keeps pushing out chips that use a bunch A53 cores unlike their rivals that actually make chips with the more powerful A57 architecture. There is no app or game that currently needs all 8 cores running at full speed in order to perform smoothly. However they do look good on benchmarks.

    • Angry Mobile Nerd
      April 16, 2015

      Bingo. But unfortuately most android users want an app (such as Antutu) to tell them how good their new phone is because they can’t tell just by using it.

      • balcobomber25
        April 16, 2015

        That’s because for many consumers they never do anything with their phone that fully takes advantage of the power they have. It cracks me up when people say they need the most powerful phone and then only use it for Facebook/Social Media.

        • Yeti hand
          April 16, 2015

          THIS!!

  2. mf1gt3r
    April 16, 2015

    Correction. Helio x10 should be good enough for sd810 if not better. Helio x20 is aimed at sd820.

    • Guaire
      April 16, 2015

      X10 (MT6795) only fast as 2 years old SD800.

      • Stef
        April 16, 2015

        In single core performance it’s a bit faster, in multicore it absolutelly destroys it. So depending on your usage patterns it would be about the same (doing one thing at a time) or would absolutely decimate it (doing many things at the same time, e.g. many background processes, multiwindow, floating windows, etc…)

        I have to generally agree though, MT6795 is a dissapointment, it’s actually slower than MT6595 (that’s a first in mobile socs, i.e. being worse off from buying the new thing).

        • Guaire
          April 16, 2015

          2.2GHz version a bit faster in single core, but 2GHz version isn’t.

          Multicore scores destroy in benchmarks, because benchmarks can utilize 8 core, regular apps can’t. So in the real world you have to consider it as quad core.

          GPU performance is even below. You can’t feel it because games could run smooth even SD400 and MT6592.

          I’m not saying it’s bad, but comparing it to SD810 (even the fact it turned out problematic) seems like flattering.

          If Mediatek would put in a more powerful GPU, MT6595 could go toe to toe with SD810.

          • Steven Fox
            April 16, 2015

            Yes, but games and other apps will come within a year’s time and they will need better GPU and more CPU cores. You don’t buy a new phone for today, you buy one for tomorrow.

            • MaxPower
              April 16, 2015

              As for games you need GPU and mediatek is way behind it.
              Speaking of CPU I really find hard to picture an highly demanding app that runs in background so you can use other apps.
              Those cores are unnecessary in real life, today and for the next few years.
              We need better power management, we need fast charging technology… Those things will improve user experience.

            • Alex
              April 19, 2015

              The thing is, Qualcomm have mocked at Mediatek that created 8-cores chip, now they do the same because apps do use the cores.
              Now that Mediatek will go further to 10, 12-cores, all Qualcomm fanboys will mock until appear apps that use all cores, and then Qualcomm will do the same.
              Qualcomm is afraid of spending money in a thing that they dont know if will work, so they mock.
              Mediatek has the guts to do that. And manages to maintain the lowest prices.

            • MaxPower
              April 19, 2015

              They simply went to a different way, mediatek is searching for performance completely ignoring gpu, Qualcomm is searching for power management (sd410,sd615) and developing other technology like fast charging.
              Most people have their phone on balance setting because all that power is not needed and because battery wouldn’t allow it for long time. If you need more than 8 core you have mediatekmediatek to go for, I don’t use any heavy app, only few heavy games sometimes,I barely switch the phone on performance setting.I owned both SoC, and both have their pros and cons.I find hard to justify more than 8 cores on a phone other than a marketing solution since there’s a lot of people looking for antutu score and that’s it.Kudos to mediatek to take advantage of it

          • Stef
            April 16, 2015

            Wow you managed to be twice wrong:

            In singlecore Mt6595 scores ~888: http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2015/February/mediatek-mt6795geekbench-1.jpg

            While SD800 averages 855: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Snapdragon-800-MSM8974-SoC.103706.0.html

            Geekbench is the only benchmark that measures cpu performance so -really- we have no other (or any better) tell sign of cpu performance in android.

            Second if you read the above numbers well you’d see that MT6795 is more than 50% faster in multicore benchmarks. My tablet routinely uses more than 4 cores, it’s easy in fact. Try this. Download viral popup (the youtube app) and boot into linux via linux deploy (the framebuffer method) and start using eclipse for coding. Now that’s a very probable usage scenario for me, it would routinely top 5 or 6 cores and during compiling it uses all 8.

            Obviously it’s not as probable (for this usage scenario) to see light on a phone which is why i find octa cores mostly useless on a phone (and plenty useful on a tablet), but that doesnt deny the fact that MT6795 would *rape* SD800 on a trully multicore enviornment (like in my example, floating windows, multiwindows, background processes…)

            So -yeah- it’s either a little faster or a lot faster depending on what you’re doing. A bit like a ferrari, it’s only a little “faster” within a city’s limitis but out on the highway it breaks bones.

            • Guaire
              April 16, 2015

              You can keep dreaming about raping SD800. We are talking about Android phones and it’s apps.

              Why you picked just one score from Fudzilla? Check out from actual Geekbench databes. Use “ARM MT6795” keywords and any SD800 phone for example “sony xperia z ultra” which is released July 2013.

              http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/

              Also you can compare them on GFXBench database for GPU performance.

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              Same story : http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=mt6795

              Without fail the score is ~880 again and again and again apart from a few outliers. Also the SD800 scores i posted was made from a bunch of devices xperia z ultra is an oulier (better cooling due the bigger size I’d guess so less throttling than average). On *average* SD800 does 860, MT6795 does 880, not much of a difference, not one anyone would feel but certainly MT6795 is faster for most.

              Also yes, there are time that even a phone can use 8 cores, it rarely happens, but i posted when that does happen rerad my post (many processes at the same time). My point was to prove that SD800 is a worse chip which did accurately, its bones are still charing (both figuratively and literally, i.e. it overheats in many devices).

              As for the gpu i admit you are right, so if one plays 3d games should prefer qualcomm, the rest are better off with mediatek than that piece of overheating garbage created by an icompetent company.

            • Guaire
              April 16, 2015

              Xperia Z Ultra released 22 months ago. MT6795 machines are still not on the stores.

              You are making excuses IMO. You are talking about cooling but that scores of MT6795 also coming from development boards and HTC E9+ which is a phablet large as Iphone 6 Plus.

              Not a single time MT6795 2GHz managed gets over than 900 single core score in 32-bit Android. SD800 can do that.

              Let’s say you are right. Even if MT6795 2GHz can manage 20 points average scores better than SD800 means just 0,23%. And first examples of SD800 machines on the market almost 2 years. Also you are admitting it’s GPU are behind.

              I’m not talking about Mediatek vs Qualcomm, I have just compared two particular chips.

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              You are the one who make excuses. I merely commented on how Mediatek MT6795 is a better choice, why should it matter that SD800 is almost 2 years old?

              If one had to choose between the two he would *always* have to go with the Mediatek chip. Unless of course he wants to set his hands in fire. Funny thing is that they’re both 28 nm, look at how incompetent Qualcomm engineers are, same process, worse CPU and muuuch worse thermals.

              I’m not commenting on GPU because we were talking CPUs (quad cores vs octa core). BTW the Mediatek scores come from all over the place, unlike Qualcomm’s throttling excuse of a cpu and MT67xx *don’t* throttle. I happen to own a 5 incher MT6752 and guess what, never overheats, never throttles, I wouldn’t expect any different from the 18% faster (probably binned) MT6795.

              Still I called it a disappointment, last year’s Mediatek kicked everyone’s butt in CPU performance, in this year they merely release mid-rangers. But even at their lowest they’re better engineers than Qualcomm’s amateurs.

            • Guaire
              April 16, 2015

              I just pointed a new chip compared to SD810 is just barely catched up 2 years old SD800. CPU and GPU benchmarks are clear.

              Even the fact SD810 are flawed, MT6795 isn’t in the same league with it.

              I’m not saying anyone MT6795 doesn’t worth your money, but know what you are about to buying.

              It’s a great upper mid-range chip. Not high-end.

              If you would disable your MT6752 phone’s 4 cores it would continue to run same as fast. If they added 8 cores more, it wouldn’t run faster.

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              No it actually runs faster in my use cases, I like to be able to do a lot of things at once (I work a lot with floating apps). Also there’s a name with the 4 cores disabled it’s called the MT6732 SoC. Guess what, even if it’s not always slower (most of the times for most of the uses in fact), it still consumes more (greater percent of the cpu is being utilized at all times) and it’s easier to become overheated…

              So even if you don’t use the extra cores they’re great to balance the load.

              I have to agree though this year’s Mediatek’s Chips are all mid-range. If you want high end chip you have to go to last year’s MT6595, almost as fast as SD 810, also released 8 months before hand.

              Meizu MX4: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?dir=desc&q=meizu+mx4&sort=score

              HTC One M9: http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/search?dir=desc&q=htc+one+m9&sort=score

            • Guaire
              April 16, 2015

              MT6732 lack of 4 cores, not disabled. And it’s CPU and GPU both of underclocked.

              That’s a phone, what are you doing with it simultaneously? You said octacores are mostly useless on phones. Now you are saying opposite.

              I said similar things about MT6595 beforehand. Irrelevant with what are we arguing about now.

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              I know that they’re not disabled, but it’s the same as MT6752 with disabled the 4 cores, so there you have your example of how it would be.

              Also I said that 8 cores are useless for most people on a phone. I’m not most people, I like to maximize whatever power I have at hand. If I paid $200 for a piece of machinery I want to use $200, not like the iphone people paying a $1000 phone using only $50 worth of its uses… But yes given how most people use their phone it’s useless, it doesn’t mean that one can’t find uses of those cores.

              OK then we agree about MT6595 and how much worse MT6795 is from it.

              The things I’m doing simultaneously, you say? For one I was torrenting on the background using my unlimited 4G plan, then I had a windowed YouTube video which was playing a lecture and all the while I was checking my facebook (pictures and videos loading on demand for most of the time). Yeah … not a hitch, let me see quad cores doing the same. I’m not saying that it would be useful for most people, but I welcome the use, I don’t shun it as “unnecessary”, especially since it came as cheaply (most MT6752 phones are dirt cheap).

            • Guaire
              April 16, 2015

              I guess you have to permanently plugged your phone to charger.

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              I find phone chargers cumbersome. I always buy 2 extra batteries. One that i charge while i use my phone and one that’s always extra, so I’m never out of juice (i simply pop a charged one), that’s 1 minute downtime before getting back to whatever i was doing.

            • Alfu
              April 16, 2015

              I don’t know about others, but at the same price point I would pick a sd 410 over 6732or 35 and 615 over 6752. Since when it comes to how the real world usage I feel Qualcomm always better than every other soc, be it in signal strength, call quality, sound quality, image processing, GPS, apps and games compatibility, etc. I am from India, and I always recommendedrecommended snapdragon over others. And I always noticed some kind of promotion or boasting about mediatek socs and how they crush Qualcomm in this site and in comments, may be Chinese (Taiwanese) sentiment

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              In raw powers it’s worse of, in all the others it’s probably better but I’m not too sure of how much. I mean im not sure if it’s better enough to be perceptible, for example my signal is great, sound quality is average as it is in all low cost phones, image processing couldn’t tell, 3d games probably worse but again couldnt tell since i don’t game a lot on mobiles.

              Since Snapdragons are pricier i would be hard pressed to recommend them but if you found out considerable difference in those key points that you referred to i can see why you’d recommend them …

            • Alfu
              April 18, 2015

              In India, best selling devices are redmi 2 , lenovo a 6000, may be moto e 2, and they are selling at inr 7000 (USD ~ 105) all of them use sd410 and sd400. And coming to mediatek best selling device is lenovo a7000, which just started this week uses 6752m and costs more. Just 16 dollars more and u cud get a yureka ( coolpad f2 maybe) with cm 12s miles ahead of a7000. As far as I know 6752 phone costs more than 200 USD. In India currently SD phones are selling, and u got numbers for that and they are cheap too, thanks to Chinese OEMS. And going by history u can see most of us remember Qualcomm socs more than other vendors. Coming to development Qualcomm socs are more supported in xda and cm. That is what matters to me (only me) more.

            • Yeti hand
              April 16, 2015

              clap clap clap clap 😀

            • MaxPower
              April 16, 2015

              If mediatek was that much better and still cheaper explain why that SoC has been sold basically only through Meizu mx4 while there were probably 50 different devices with a SD801?
              And again, if mediatek kicked everybody’s butt , I should think exynos’s butt as well, but then again Meizu made the pro version of that phone using an exynos?
              Again, benchmarks are pure marketing and you are an example of it

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              And guess what, the pro version is actually slower on the CPU. It has a better GPU, that’s why the MX4 pro is not actually “pro”.

              As for why more people didn’t use it, I guess it’s the weak GPU. Most manufacturers don’t want their phones to have sub-par gaming performance. Not that I understand why, most android games are hardly GPU intensive…

              Still the MT6595 is the best CPU of 2014, only Note 4’s Exynos tops it but it is/was hard to find in most places of the world anyway.

            • MaxPower
              April 16, 2015

              So you don’t understand why a better GPU is needed and you think that Mali is enough to play any games out there?
              Hmmm, interesting theory.
              So what about CPU then?
              Most of the apps out there need all that power and so many cores?
              What are you doing with your phone? Calculating prime numbers while unzipping a 100GB archive?
              That’s bizarre.
              SoC is not just CPU.
              There’s other stuff like better GPS accuracy, fast charging, better power management, better documentation for software development.
              And that’s where mediatek has to improve.
              On low and mid range they lead, on top tiers they are still behind exynos and Qualcomm. And I’m not taking about CPU benchmark which gives you a peak of performance and that’s all

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              Ha you caught me on the act! I’m posting from my phone which (at this time) is torrenting, showing a review to me while I’m writing my post to you. Guess what, my (MT6572) phone is cool to touch perfectly responsive oh and it cost me $150.

              Now try to do the same with Qualcomm’s latest piece of throttling failure. If right now I had an HTC M9 trying to do the same thing, (a) I would cause 3rd degree’s burns, and if I did manage to complete everything it would be sooo laggy due to the severe throttling.

              Did I mention that it’s fully 4G capable (at least in my country) and it locks to satellites in 10 seconds. You were saying? Oh now I remember, that a SoC is not just a CPU. Yeah my phone’s GPU sucks, and even that I chose on purpose, I refuse to game using abysmal touch controls, I play some of the casual games here and there, but none of the AA titles, what a waste of resources and time.

              So yeah if one’s weird enough to be a hardcore gamer on his/her phone let him/her buy Qualcomm, if not stay away! It’s probably the worst SoC of 2015!

            • MaxPower
              April 16, 2015

              Which country do you live in since here in the US the M9 is still on preorder but it looks like in yours has been out for a couple of years already.
              You can do whatever you were doing with a SD600 of 3 years ago without getting burnt. No SD810 needed.
              I’m a huge fan of the MT6752 and I always said it without any fanboysm, it is a great SoC, almost as good as the SD801.
              Definitely better value for the money

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              Yes but it would be slower due to the low core count. Just because most people don’t use the capacity of modern phones doesn’t mean it’s useless. I haven’t used M9 (obviously) but given the reports of how fast it burns up on high loads i would be surprised if it was not to (seriously) burn my hand while I’m doing what I’m doing.

            • MaxPower
              April 16, 2015

              That’s the point I was trying to get.
              You have been speaking about a phone that is not out yet in a derogatory way like you have tested it personally.
              Some people might read your comment and think that’s what the M9 does.
              I don’t know where did you get those infos but it could be just a venting from a Samsung fanboy.
              As for the core count it doesn’t mean that much. It’s a different architecture arm vs krait.
              Try cpuZ and you’ll see that you have at least 4 cores in idle.
              The only process you’re using is torrent, reading a review and writing here is on ram.

            • Stef
              April 16, 2015

              Torrenting uses around 2-3 cores. Floating youtube (viral pro) is software video so it uses all the cores it can have and browsing (writing here) is at least 1-2 cores.

              If you want to get a sense of the amount of throttling (and thus heat) that M9 encounters just look at geekbench’s scores. 67% the performance with 95% of the clocks? There’s quite a throttling going on there.

            • MaxPower
              April 16, 2015

              Why don’t you share your sources about how many cores you need for each task?
              2 cores for writing here? There’s barely JavaScript in this website, all you need is scrolling. I thought YouTube goes on GPU.
              Share your source please

            • Stef
              April 17, 2015

              I’m not on this website I’m posting via Disqus side window. One core for the background site and one for the side window (two windows at the same time).

              Secondly Window’d video NEVER run on Hardware. To have hardware acceleration the app has to be the exclusive app running at the time. I’m running the app in the upper half of the screen all the while millions of other things are happening. That’s software decoding, that’s 8-cores’ decoding.

              Lastly torrenting is using 2-3 cores at most of the times. Certainly one for downloading, one for uploading, and an accessory 3rd.

              Anyway I challenge you to try this on a quad core (because I did), if it won’t lag then you’re right and it’s a light load , but if it will (and it will as I’ve tried it many times), then you need an octa core my friend. I’m sorry but I’m unapologetic for the use of my hardware, if I have the power I’m gonna use it.

              Obviously this is not a typical load for a mobile phone, but it’s not my fault that most people still use their smartphones as if they’re barely smart, to me it is an ultra-portable PC at this point…

            • MaxPower
              April 17, 2015

              I’m sorry, and I’m saying this with absolute respect, but I think your ideas are a little confused.
              A background window is not one core like you said.
              Actually that background window
              has nothing to do with CPU.
              You open any webpage, the CPU process it in a second or so, and that’s it. You minimize it and from now on there’s no active load on CPU, it takes ram resource though.
              If it was like you said then it would not be good because a core is locked by that background window and couldn’t be used for other threads.
              Whenever you write here you are using a scroller and the keyboard that loads the CPU, is really needed a core for any task? Absolutely not. Again, core management are related to how a program has been written.
              Torrenting really doesn’t mean anything, which torrent client are you using? Is it optimized for using multi core?
              And again, I don’t understand that NEVER written in capital letters.
              People who’s wrong usually shout.
              I don’t know which browser are you using, but both android browser and chrome use hardware acceleration and it’s enabled by default so that video actually goes on GPU.
              I asked you which source you use to determine how many cores are involved in your activities and you didn’t provide one yet.
              Like I said cpuz what you’re doing and you’ll realize that the count of the cores in use don’t match what you are guessing. Most of them are in idle. Try to believe

            • Stef
              April 17, 2015

              Ok, download those 3: Ttorrent torrent client, firefox browser (flash always enabled), viral youtube player.

              Then download a torrent (no matter what) with many seeders/peers and start it.

              After that open a video on viral pro, place the video on top of the screen.

              Open firefox on a website supoorting both flash and disqus. All the while flash is playing choose the number on the side of your disqus username (a side windows opens). Start typing a response.

              Do that on a quad core and *tell* me that it doesn’t lag.

              I think you’re one the one who’s confused. Flash always uses cpu responses on the background windows, a core is also used on the side window, all cores are used by the viral pro and ttorrent also uses some of the cores.

              Whatever you’re telling me to do with cpuz can’t happen because I’d have to put the rest of the apps on the background to open cpuz this would skew the results.

              Just do what i called you to do and then see it happening on an octa core. Silky smooth … And that’s just one scenario there are countless in my usage patterns that more than 4 are used.

            • MaxPower
              April 16, 2015

              You speak about their engineers like you know what they are doing. He he
              Let me tell you something about your beloved CPU of mediatek SoC.
              Mediatek doesn’t make that CPU
              😮 what???
              Yeah, that’s correct, ARM makes that.

      • Ricardo
        April 16, 2015

        How many reviews of phones with that SoC have you seen to state that? I guess not a single one.

        • Guaire
          April 16, 2015

          You don’t need reviews. You know what it in. Benchmarks are already around. Reviews about phones, not SoCs.

      • mf1gt3r
        April 16, 2015

        Don’t be sacarstic. Mediateks Mt6752 destroyed sd615. Even the mtk6732 is almost on par with sd615. Real life usage qualcomms sd800 performs just as the mtk6595. Why would u compare helio x10 to the mediocre sd810? After mockery they’ve hopped on the octacore bandwagon. They should have just continued with seriously over clocked quadcore chips. Do your research OK. Helio x10 is above sd810, it is only bested by the new Samsung exynos chip.

        • Guaire
          April 16, 2015

          Yes MT6752 is better than SD615. So what? It’s irrelevant. Of course MT6732 will be on par SD615.

          MT6732 also almost on par with MT6752. If they didn’t underclocked it, would be same as fast despite MT6752’s 4 extra cores.

          Qualcomm just screwed up SD810. It’s overheating. Otherwise MT6795 can’t compete in today’s high-end category.

          Take your own advice and do some research. Check out MT6795’s benchmark results.

          • mf1gt3r
            April 16, 2015

            Did that, seen it. Let’s see how it performs in a device. LeTV Superphone to the rescue.

          • mf1gt3r
            April 16, 2015

            As regards the relevance of sd615 being compared to mtk6752 or probably the fact that it beats it in everything, it is relevant given the competition existing between Mediatek and Qualcomm. Powerful processors indeed.

          • balcobomber25
            April 16, 2015

            The overheating issues were related to software problems which have since been patched. Multiple tech blogs have since run tests that have shown it doesn’t heat up anymore than the 801 did.

  3. Robbie
    April 16, 2015

    holly cow, antutu over 70k :O Girls will be crazy, I´ll be the next Don Juan 😀 😀 😀

  4. MaxPower
    April 16, 2015

    Antutu is pure marketing and Mediatek knows that. Why would blame Mediatek for this? There’s people out there that buy a phone due to its Antutu score so why not make profit over this non-sense?
    Keep going mediatek, kids need this new dick measuring 2.0

    • seven7dust
      April 16, 2015

      thing is even samsung and Htc tout Antutu scores ,yet no one complains, in fact they’ve even been caught cheating , something meditek hasn’t ever been accused of.

      you can’t win with these qualcomm fanbiois , the real fact is that snapdragon 810 is a big failure , consumes way too much power at 20nm , overheats and throttles to below 801 speeds, nothing but problems.

      qualcomm will suffer a big fall in sales this year , keep watching.
      meditek is beating them in every category from 415 – 615 by double and soon the 810 will get beat as well.

      • MaxPower
        April 16, 2015

        I heard same things last year, Qualcomm will suffer fall in sale and their numbers said +7%(~).
        Let’s wait for Q3 and see if you are right. I doubt it

    • Yeti hand
      April 17, 2015

      I agree with everything you say but you know as longas my yeti hands are satisfied I don’t really care about the number of cores or antutu.
      I just need a 5’5′-6′ phone with a smooth experience and tadaaaaa They’re happy ^^

      • MaxPower
        April 17, 2015

        😀

  5. Rob
    April 16, 2015

    Not interested in how many CPU cores it has, this years chips have proven they can match anything Qualcomm has. What I really want to know is are they going to actually put a decent GPU in for the first time ever and really give Qualcomm something to worry about?? A quad A72 and quad A53 with big.LITTLE configuration and a powervr Gt900 @800MHz putting out 819GFLOPS!!! Put that in a 6″ phone with one of Sharps new 4K mobile phone screens that are coming out next year and a 5000Mah battery and it will be my next phone! lol

    • MaxPower
      April 16, 2015

      What would be the price of that device?

      • Rob
        April 16, 2015

        Probably more than I would want to pay, but great for bragging rights. lol

    • MaxPower
      April 16, 2015

      I have to disagree even if I’m huge fan of mediatek.
      Their MT6732 and MT6752 don’t simply match, but they are actually better than low and mid range SoC provided by Qualcomm.
      Speaking of top-tiers are still below, and not only due to CPU and GPU, but I’m also speaking about quality of GPS (accuracy, please fanboys dont you start with the lock time)
      And other technologies like fast charging.
      They are getting closer but 10 cores is not the answer.

      • Rob
        April 16, 2015

        you disagree with me because I think 10 cores is too many and then you go on to say that 10 cores isn’t the answer??!!! ok…

        • MaxPower
          April 16, 2015

          I disagree with you saying that they can match “anything” Qualcomm has.
          And then I explained why.(read above)
          I didn’t talk about cores

          • LastoftheBrunnen_G
            April 17, 2015

            The MT6595 already beats the SD805 in CPU performance. GPU performance on android is meh because gaming sucks on mobile so not a huge loss. VPU capabilities are much more important on mobile.

            • MaxPower
              April 17, 2015

              There’s no task that an old 6582 or sd400 can’t do already.
              While there are games out there than need more power.
              There’s no need of 10-12 cores because there’s no way to use them.
              I’ve tried to explain him that SoC is not just CPU, it’s CPU,GPU, battery management, fast charging,GPS quality (accuracy,not just lock time)
              SoC documentation for better software development.
              For that reason last year there were over 50 flagship devices with a SD on board and 2-3 with 6595.
              Now, you can think that a phone needs all that VPU without other things I’ve listed and you are free to do so.
              The market and the manufacturers thinks otherwise.
              Not even mediatek agree with you since they moved to a less performant CPU and focus on power management.

            • LastoftheBrunnen_G
              April 17, 2015

              The only stuff that matters is what comes out of China that’s why both of us visit this site in the first place. With that said everything decent out of China is running the MT6752 then soon MT6753 for international variants.

              LG is fail for 2015 and so is HTC M9 which they’ve quickly realized by mentioning the M9+ that will be running on a MT6795. Samsung’s only saving grace was their foundry which got bailed out with IBM’s research. Without that the S6 would have been a failure as well. The Korean, US and EUR phone makers had their time of screwing us over with $600 smartphones, those days are at an end.

              MediaTek was originally going to use the A57 in the MT6795 but saw it was a thermonuclear mess outside of 14nm. So Plan B is to go with the tweaked A53e cores clocked at 2.2ghz. This will offer better sustained performance than anything Qualcomm has on the market while still being more power efficient. Being a cooler chip means it doesn’t have to throttle like SD810 does killing peak performance.

            • trapchan
              April 18, 2015

              I used both 6582 and SD400 on Honor 3C, Android One(s) and Redmi 1S. And there’re indeed some tasks that both chips failed to do. Give me a smooth 60fps animation and transition.

              6582 is an okay chip. and probably get your jobs done. But I couldn’t stand anything less than 60fps framerate. So I get Oneplus.

            • MaxPower
              April 18, 2015

              You are actually according to what I have been saying so far.
              I owned redmi 1S (SD400) cubot one (MT6589T) and now MI4(SD801) and while the CPU of the cheap version was plenty for any task,they lack on GPU.
              There’s where your one plus won’t lack, in GPU.
              I never had the need to switch the MI4 in performance mode, it has always been in power saving and never been laggy.

            • MaxPower
              April 17, 2015

              And another thing before closing with this discussion that’s taking to long.
              6595 beats 805, right where?
              On benchmarks, with shows a peak of performance that can’t be repeated on real usage. If you run any task on the phone they manage to do it at the same speed.
              And that’s why I always say that benchmarks and antutu in primis is pure marketing and mediatek is taking advantage of it that’s why they are going for 10 cores.

            • LastoftheBrunnen_G
              April 17, 2015

              A17 is superior to Krait 400/450 in every way measurable be is power consumption, IPS or chip mm2. I’d gladly put the Meizu MX4 against the S5, M8 or G2.

    • seven7dust
      April 16, 2015

      you can’t win with these qualcomm fans , you need to educate yourself about the problems qualcomm is facing in 2015 , it’s gonna be a bad year for them

      the real fact is that snapdragon 810 is a big failure , consumes way too much power at 20nm , reduces batterylife ,overheats and throttles to below 801 speeds, nothing but problems.

      mediatek has never had these problems, qualcomm will suffer a big fall in sales this year , keep watching.

      mediatek is beating them in every category from entry level 415 – mid range 615 and soon the 810 will get beat as well.

      • MaxPower
        April 16, 2015

        You are using big failure on a SoC that technically is not out yet. More than other people fanboysm I see an unjustified hate from you.
        The overheating and throttle issues were related to an early stage of the SoC.
        So suddenly HTC and LeTV are out of their mind putting the SD810 on their premium phones and the MT on the cheaper version?

  6. JNG_RULZ
    April 16, 2015

    10 Cores…It suppose to be 12 core…But oh well…

    • trapchan
      April 18, 2015

      no, it’s supposed to be 16 core.

  7. Aeonia
    April 16, 2015

    am all for a better GPU in this new Helios soc..+ am pretty sure MediaTek isn’t putting 10 raw cores inside a cpu..if anything it’s more likely to have Big.Little (8 cores) and the rest two cores will be dedicated for specific roles like –some new stuff here–

  8. Tremaine Underwood
    April 16, 2015

    Hopefully the reports of MediaTek joining up with AMD are right. Exciting, if its true. That should solve their GPU issues. Remains to be seen if prices will remain the same though…

    • balcobomber25
      April 16, 2015

      Why wouldn’t they remain the same? AMD and Mediatek have always followed the same philosophy of offering good performance for a lower price than their rival (Intel and Qualcomm).

      • Tremaine Underwood
        April 16, 2015

        True, that’s what I am hoping for. Plus it wouldn’t make sense for them to up the prices. Its just that while AMD’s cpu range is generally a lot cheaper than Intel equivalents, their Radeon range is basically on par with Nvidia products. I’m very interested to see how this pans out.

  9. Eduardo Serralvo
    April 16, 2015

    If they launch a 2+4 (2 big+4little) core configuration they’ll gain my attention. 10 ( I suppose cortex a53 ) cores are good for servers, not for smartphones IMHO. Please move forward mediatek!

  10. April 17, 2015

    Source code first!

  11. TimBob
    April 18, 2015

    I don’t think this new Mediatek SoC will be using ARM, I think it may be using a next gen mips I6400 ‘Warrior’ core. The giveaway is the 10 core setup. As reported back in January Mediatek may also be working on a 12 core variant. ARM designs can only do 4 cores per cluster, where as I6400 can do 6 cores per cluster. For a smartphone it would be a very bad idea to have more than 2 cpu clusters (power requirements/cost increase dramatically), hence my thinking that this is not an ARM based SoC.

  12. Vandenplas
    April 19, 2015

    Why not using these superefficient 10-core ARMs for day to day computing? I hope to see some ITX mainboards or barebones equipped with that processor too.

  13. Steve
    April 21, 2015

    I must agree with MaxPower… am not fan boy of Qualcom, I only own Mediatek phones, and GPS sucks !!! no need to comment on the rest. also please improve photo processing engine ! (still wonder why Apple still leading in this matter)

  14. Sheikh Faiz
    May 11, 2015

    What The f***!! man its 70 K on antutu that smells a lot of power on the SOCs OMG!!! x) 🙂