Update: The title previously wrongly mentioned that the Helio X30 had launched, which is not the case. Our apologies.
Original post:
As we finally begin seeing devices equipped with Helio X20 processors, MediaTek decides that now would be the best time to announce details about the successor to it.
The new Helio X30 will be another deca core processor and it’ll built on TSMC’s 10nm FinFET architecture, unlike the Helio X20 and X25 which are built on a 20nm architecture. Four of those 10 cores are Cortex A73 cores clocked at 2.8GHz, another four are Cortex A53 cores clocked at 2.2GHz and the final two are Cortex A35 cores at 2GHz.
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What’s more exciting though is the that the Helio X30’s GPU is a massive improvement over the X20 and X25’s. The X30 has a PowerVR 7XTΒ quad core GPU, which should give it a the much needed boost from its predecessor’s average graphics performance.
It’ll support up to 8GB of LPDDR4 RAM, UFS 2.1 storage, up to 26MP cameras and dual cameras. On top of all that, it’ll also come with a modem that supports three carrier aggregation (3CA) which combines the three bands, and if that isn’t enough the modem also supports LTE Cat. 12.
Since Helio X20 devices are only now just popping up, it’ll probably be a while before we see the X30 appear in any devices, possibly until the first or second half of next year.
What do you think? Would you get a Helio X20 powered device now that you know the X30 is such an improvement? Tell us in the comments.
no no no no no
DON”T spread false info.
OK?
In other words
“Wha, I didn’t get post info about this first. Wha. Wha. Wha”
i was expecting you here π
Yes there is an shortage on MT6735 , because production has moved over to MT6737 and MT6738 now and shortage is only on P10 and MT6750 as far as i know.
Will be another over-hyped, low-mid-end, impressive-on-paper-only, stuttery-jittery SoC.
I remember the hype that surrounded the X10, then the X20 and the X25.
All three are epicly crap compared to the SD 650 and SD 652, on *every* aspect.
Then MediaTek fanboys kept talking about value-for-money and price sensitivity, and one again, SD 650 and SD 652 have come out CHEAPER than the X10 / 20 / 25 phones, in fact much cheaper than X20 phones.
Go home MediaTek – you chips have played catch-up all these years while offering very substandard performance under the value-for-money guise. Now that QC has hit the jackpot with the SD 65.x series, you can’t levarage that anymore.
The P10 is a laughable failure.
The X10 is a very poor performer.
The X20 is an equally bad performer.
The X25, another scammy incremental update, is worse than the SD 650 / SD 652
(And Xiaomi is fitting this in the upcoming Note Pro, lol)
In 2016, QualComm has freakin *owned* you, whether or not anyone will admit it, and anyone that buys a MediaTek phone in 2016 is retarded (unless one is talking about the absolute low end stuff around $100 that sells a dime a dozen, but those don’t have the X10-20s do they?)
Do you think Qualcomm’s next 600 range will be able to compete with this though?
Not sure what you mean (I could be misunderstanding). Can you clarify your question?
Are you asking if QC’s next 6 series SoCs will be able to gain market in spite of the existing SD 65.x series? Not sure.
I am asking if you think the 652 will be better than the X30, if not then do you think whatever the next top end 600 series SoC will be?
Hmmm, i have a letv x600 with x10, no performance issues here. Was that your daily hate pill?
Well, that way, I have an old Zopo with a 6589 which runs without major performance issues **as long** as I’m using only the stock apps and some FB / Whatsapp. Games crush it, heavy multitasking is impossible and on relatively less important synthetics, it’s a joke.
Does that mean I should miss the entire point of the thread about the false hype around MediaTek’s Socs, their tall claims, what they and their fanboys claimed when these SoCs were arriving, and the fact that QC has created a mid-ranger which bests their best, at typically lower price points?
Wasn’t MediaTek supposed to crush QC at the mid to mid-high range with their DecaCore SoC’s? What happened really?
Lol at the X10. Can’t even run Asphalt smooth at 30 fps with significant drops and stutters, and you’re touting it as “no performance issues here”. What your typical load like kid? 10-12 FB / Whatsapp kindof apps in memory? Grow up.
https://youtu.be/-OXRFbpRq6U?t=430
You have an old MT6589 so that means all Mediatek SoC’s are bad? I have a phone with a SD810, I guess by your logic all Snapdragon chips overheat and throttle to the point that it kills any performance advantage. You tell people to “grow up” yet you resort to immature attacks and failed attempts at logic.
Still avoiding the real issues I talked about in the original comment – how every year MediaTek promises something and under-delivers majorly, and how this year they’ve lost the price war as well.
Anyways, not that I need an answer or an acknowledgement from you or anyone else, but it’s always intriguing to see how MediaTek’s hype factory evolves through the quarters, something like:
Q2/Q3/Q4: Previous Year:
“ZOMG 20 CORE monster coming on XXnm, will the the class king, best seller, flagship peformance at mid range price etc”
Q1: Release Year:
“XYZ maker the first to house the 20 CORE monster. Wait for reviews. Bye Bye QualComm.”
Q2: Release Year: Reviews start
“Yay 20 cores! OMG! Wait a second, why does the game lag. Oh wait, was that a stutter? Oh wait, can’t switch between 20+ apps. Oh, graphics is quite poor.”
Q3: Release Year: Acceptance
“Yes well, it was supposed to have been a flagship, but QualComm’s midrange XXX has this beat, plentifully, for cheaper”.
“Also, 40 CORE monster coming from MT again, will crush QC next year! Mid range price, Flagship performance! OMG!”
Rinse and repeat.
How has Mediatek lost the price war? Their SoC;s are still on a whole cheaper than Qualcomm’s. Most of your claims aren’t worth responding to because you are clearly a Qualcomm fanboy who sees no reason and you haven’t used a Mediatek SoC since the MT6589.
Show me a X20 / X25 phone which is cheaper than, say, the Redmi Note 3 or the Mi Max (with equivalent displays), with uniformly better performance across the board, graphics included.
Any makes come to your mind?
You do realize a phones price isn’t determined by the SoC alone? Comparing SoC prices is futile as most of the times the price of the SoC isn’t published and not every company pays the same prices. The SoC usually isn’t even the most expensive component in a phone, the display is.
As usual, you aren’t answering my question:
Why isn’t there a cheaper X20 / X25 phone than any SD 650 phone?
e.g. The Redmi Note 3 has a beatiful display, runs brilliantly in spite of that MIUI which *was* notorious as being a performance killer, games excellently without any frame drops, and multitasks equally well (the 3GB one especially), while being cheaper than ANY X20 / X25 phone. The camera and sound quality are great too. I think the the downside I’ve seen mostly are the low light photos, which isn’t great on most devices anyway.
So, what MediaTek X20 / X25 phone does ALL of this better, both in terms of specs and real world performance, and comes for cheaper?
Nah, the Redmi Note 3’s display is shit. The Redmi Note’s was better, and the 3’s build quality is horrendous, must be because of the Snapdragon processor melting the cheap glue.
damn
And bollocks, X20 / X25 phones are not cheaper than SD 65.x phones, quite the contrary.
I wonder why you lie so much about MediaTek and phones built on its SoCs?
Phone prices are determined by hundreds of factors. That would be like me saying since the Galaxy S7 and HTC 10 costs over $700 at launch, Qualcomm has lost the price war. For individual SoC’s on the whole Mediatek is still cheaper than Qualcomm.
I’m… not entirely sure what you were trying to prove with that video. There aren’t really any performance issues there.
Like I said, not everyone will notice, since they were never familar with the “jank free” world to even begin with. Have to hand it to Apple here though – their users would know the difference.
“Can’t even run Asphalt smooth at 30 fps…. What your typical load like kid? 10-12 FB / Whatsapp kindof apps in memory? Grow up.” — Erm, you can’t call someone a kid when you’re getting pissy about a game not running smoothly. This was a master class in irony :-).
Nice try, not everyone is used to being happy with low standards, which might well be your case. This was a master class is self projection and admittance.
I am guessing you never a actually used any of those SoC’s. All of them are more than powerful enough for most people. Not everyone who uses a phone plays the latest games or needs the most power. The vast majority of people don’t even know what SoC is in their phone. And using a derogatory term to describe people who buy a phone with a certain is both immature and not needed. What are you 11?
Still avoiding the real argument wisea$$. While these may be good enough, what are some compelling reasons one would buy a more expensive X20 / X25 phone when the SD 650 phones perform better and are available for cheaper?
Let me guess, you can’t cite any, so you’ll now spit out more frothing blather and talking about the points I made in the original comment.
Classy, where do you come from, a mental asylum?
The SoC is only one part of the phone. Anyone who buys a phone based solely around that is nothing but a fanboy of that company. You are clearly a Qualcomm fanboy it shows in all your comments. Mediatek has some good SoC’s and some bad, Qualcomm has some good and some bad. Same with Kirin and Exnyos.
The SoC is without doubt the most important part of the phone. While many manufacturers try to differentiate on software, most fail miserably with poor UI implementations, memory hogging features and customization that is problematic and ruins the pure Android experience.
Anyone who buys a phone without paying critical attention to the SoC while being more focused on auxiliary features or software is nothing but an ignorant moron without a clue of what will lead to a pleasing experience in the long run, when the camera app hasn’t been opened for months, the 1000 UI features are barely used, and the user has settled into the core functions of the phone which revolve around – (a) a lag free performance across many many apps being used simultaneously and (b) a few specialties which vary from user to user, like gaming, or content editing.
You are clearly without a clue and want to mislead users based on false premises, very similar to how MediaTek misleadingly markets its SoCs while there are better-and-cheaper options now.
MediaTek has uniformly underperforming SoCs, as they’ve always overpromised and underdelivered. QC had some SoCs last year which had temp / throttling issues, but not this year, so that argument doesn’t hold.
By your logic, a phone with
a Snapdragon 820 processor but 1GB of RAM, 8GB of internal storage, a shitty pair of cameras, no sd card slot, no headphone jack, terrible sound quality, finicky build quality, a 4.3-inch WVGA display with massive bezels and a 1000mAh battery
is better than phone with
a Helio X10 processor 3GB of RAM, 16GB of internal storage, a decent pair of cameras, an sd card slot, a headphone jack, good sound quality, great build quality, a 5-inch FHD display with minimal bezels and a 3000mAh battery
Just because the first one has a Snapdragon processor?
Let’s be real here. If anything, the processor is the LEAST important thing to look at when buying a phone now since anything you buy is going to have, at the very least, decent performance. It’ll be able to do most of what you need it to do, and if you need it to do more than just slightly increase your budget.
What you should be looking at is RAM and internal storage, those you actually need more of.
Also, the phone you described is basically the iPhone. Works perfectly, doesn’t do anything else.
Notice he hasn’t responded to you lol?
Notice how someone becomes outdated on a thread status faster than a MediaTek SoC going out of the market? I do. π
Why don’t you respond to him? Is it because you know he proves everything you are saying wrong?
Are you an idiot? Did you understand the bit about being outdated? I had already responded to him asking for real world examples instead of hypothetical devices. Look up!
Again with the name calling. Really mature.
No real world X20 / X25 device recommendation from you still?
How long do you plan to keep this “talk-about-other-things-coz-I-can’t-prove-my-point” game up?
Stupid dolt.
I already gave you one.
Stop throwing insults already, it’s immature and idiotic.
Harvey unless someone at Qualcomm is paying you for this I advise you to stop wasting your time.
We here actually know a think about these things called SOCs ( I’m a computer engineer and probably some other people here are ).
If you just want to troll about how Qualcomm is better try targetting some different audiences, the general public usually doesn’t know shit so you’ll have a lot less trouble convincing them.
Hell you could even tell then Qualcomm is better because it’s designed in the US just like Apple phone ( which everyone knows are the shit ). Or you could take it one step further and tell them Apple uses Qualcomm chips which technically they do but only on the radio/modem part π
No, that’s not it.
This year, there won’t be a MediaTek phone better than an QC phone at the mid-range or the high-end, both price and performance wise.
That’s all there is to it.
Of course, mentioning it devolves into this.
Too many stupid dolts and their misinformed ideas.
In my country we have a saying. When one person tells you you’re drunk maybe he’s wrong… when two of them tell you you’re drunk then they might still both be wrong. Then again if three or more people tell you you’re drunk maybe it’s time to go to bed.
Plenty of people have told you here that you’re wrong and yet you still insist … maybe it’s just time to go to be and rest.
Notice how you still haven’t answered his question. You said the SoC was the single most important thing when choosing a phone, it’s not, so answer his hypothetical question.
Instead of coming up with fictitious phones (SD820 + WVGA, lol), why not talk about real world devices?
Care to cite real world devices housing the SD820 which have WVGA, shitty audio, finicky build quality, shitty cam image quality etc?
Also, a real world X10 phone which has *ALL* of
(a) Class leading camera (surpassing the S7 Edge)
(b) Awesome audio quality (surpassing the Vibe X3 Dacs)
(c) Awesome display (puts Samsung Amoleds to shame)
(d) Sells cheaper than any SD 650 phone
What happened, chickened out?
So you’re trying to somehow reverse the situation of doom you’ve put yourself in buy using my words against me in the most utterly bland way possible? Nah dude.
There are no real devices like that, hence why I said “let’s say”, to show that it’s a hypothetical example.
So basically, you’re using a pointless hypothetical device against me as an attempt to humiliate me because I used a hypothetical device to prove a simple point? I’m sorry, I snickered a bit there.
You don’t even have a point anymore, huh?
I do, that there’s no X20 / X25 phone that one should buy over and above any SD 65.x phone.
If I’m wrong, prove it: Anything better than the Redmi Note 3 SD650 which is also cheaper, or equal, while having better features?
Also, I wasn’t the one who came up with hypothetical devices. Right from the beginning, I’ve been talking about specific chips, specific devices.
Then came along a retard who paired an SD820 with a WVGA screen for the sake of a retarded argument, all the while, and still, failing to provide ONE example X20/25 phone that a consumer can buy over and above the RMN3, while getting better features for cheaper.
You’re such an expert, aren’t you?
Tell me why I’d buy a Redmi Note 3 over a Gionee M6+.
The SoC is important but it is not the only part of a phone. There is also a camera, audio, software, build quality, battery, display, after sales support and many other factors that matter when choosing a phone. SoC alone should never determine your phone choice. The only ignorant one is yourself.
OK, enough with the insults.
There are a LOT of reasons to pick an X20 or X25 phone over a Snapdragon 650 phone. Design, camera performance, build quality, RAM, internal storage, sim card slots, microSD card slots, display, size, bezels, front camera, brand, version of Android, fingerprint sensor, sound quality, LED lights, battery size, screen resolution, USB type, reviews, supported frequencies, location, pricing, and that’s just a few of them.
He is a typical Qualcomm fanboy no amount of reason will ever work on him.
Glad you said this I was about to say this but this guy is clearly a troll, I see the x20 in the vernee Apollo lite in s7ylers review playing games like a beast it just depends on the individual phone and how its optimized etc etc it is also a fact that mediatek chips.come with way more spec combinations than Qualcomm of how many mtk soc is out there this also means higher availability/reach for smartphones of this chipset especially for international buyers
Let me take up an example. Show me an X20 or X25 phone which does all of this better, for cheaper, than an SD 65.x phone?
And did you say reviews? I mean, are you going to argue and get “listy” for the sake of it and dish out ridiculous items like “reviews”, “LED Lights”, or do you have some real models to offer? (has to be cheaper than an SD 65.x phone, and uniformly better at every single spec, display / gpu / ram etc. included)
Any Airyl?
Does it have to a be an X20? Can’t it just be an X10?
That’s like saying “find a Snapdragon 820 phone that does everything better than an MTK6752 while also being cheaper than it”.
It’s not really the better part, it’s the cheaper part.
Exactly. Infact, I am about to purchase another phone for my dad. He has an RN3Pro, with the SD650 – he’s selling it and buying a MORE EXPENSIVE phone, with a LESSER SD617 SoC (Z11 Mini) – whether the SoC is Qualcomm/MTK or something else doesn’t really matter – what matters is that you get the phone that does what you want for the budget that you have to spend on it. In this case, the phone with the lesser chipset is actually the better phone for his needs.
Sorry to say this but in what logic would a SD650 perform better than X20? hardware wise, It’s not possible. deca core vs hexa core and the X20 running above 2ghz and SD620 running lower than 2ghz. How is it better than X20? The benchmark and hardware, persay, will say otherwise. Your personal opinion or dislike towards Mediatek will not get rid of that logical fact. The X20 performs almost identical or slightly better next to the kirin 950. However it is no match for the SD820 and Exynos 8890
Some reading for you. And don’t be put off by the AnTuTu part in the titles. There’s plenty of commentary to absorb too, both through the articles as well as the comments. Take your time.
First one is translated, but read the conclusion:
https://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://mediatek-club.ru/mediatek-helio-x20-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-650&prev=search
http://www.techgrapple.com/helio-x20-vs-snapdragon-652-vs-650-vs-apple-a8/
http://www.gizmochina.com/2016/01/15/snapdragon-650-vs-helio-x10-vs-snapdragon-808-antutu-scores-compared/
Now I know the next possible arguments from you:
– Paid bloggers / Biased folks
– Synthetics mean nothing
– Real world findings mean nothing / are subjective
– Bad Roms / Bad dev for MT chips
– These are not reliable
I can completely understand.
Your knowledge seems to be limited and based on this particular model called ZOPO Z955
Try to have a broader mind and not judge the helio X20 based on a particular model. Like I say before, software tuning and optimisation from the phone manufacturer and other hardware parts play a roll on how well the phone will perform as well.
Now I’m going to give you multiple links for your own read
https://www.gizchina.com/2016/01/21/mediatek-helio-x20-benchmarks-revealed/
http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_1453551935.html
http://www.tekz24.com/mediatek-and-snapdragon-processors-full-comparison/
Like I said, in raw power X20 is a stronger chipset than 650. But 650 being Snapdragon, the custom support is more compared to MTK devices.
http://www.techgrapple.com/helio-x20-vs-snapdragon-820-vs-exynos-8890-vs-apple-a9-vs-apple-a9x-vs-kirin-950/ (Like I said X20 perform slightly better than Kirin 950)
The 3rd link that you gave was on X10 chipset, not X20 (Your point is?)
Now I know the next possible arguments from you:
– Paid bloggers / Biased folks
– Synthetics mean nothing
– Real world findings mean nothing / are subjective
– Bad Roms / Bad dev for MT chips
– These are not reliable
Man I don’t care, I’ll spend more for an X20 powered phone if I like the phone. Both it and the Qualcomm stuff offers the performance I need.
I’m also thinking about power usage here and the X20 is fabricated on a lower node ( 20 nm ) I think so it should use a bit less power than the 28 nm Qalcomm SOCs.
You literally just pulled out every legitimate that makes sense and tried to use it against anyone who disagreed with you. That’s not smart, that’s doing half the work.
More cores = better performance?
Why not stay off the thread and continue watching The Jerry Springer Show? You should feel right at home!
Why not stay off the thread and continue watching The Jerry Springer Show? Very mature. Can’t hold a conversation without staying on point Sureee…Haha. It’s pointless talking to you I guess.
Now I know the next possible arguments from you:
– Paid bloggers / Biased folks
– Synthetics mean nothing (You fall under this)
– Real world findings mean nothing / are subjective (You fall under this)
– Bad Roms / Bad dev for MT chips
– These are not reliable
sort of … cos its physical ,y’know
just like logical cores of i3 can never beat physical , actually metallic cores of i5
Yeah, more cores equal better performance. Don’t you know? Lol. Obviously mediatek is the best.est.
The X10 and X20 aren’t really bad performers. They’re pretty good to be honest, it’s just that the Snapdragon 820 trumps them in GPU performance. The X25 Is basically a small upgrade in a similar vein to the Snapdragon 821 and the P10 is just overpriced.
The only real failures IMO were the MTK6753 and 6735 since the models they were replacing (aka the 6752 and 6732) were by far the best value chips MTK had ever put out.
Also, please refrain from straight up insulting people in the comments. Poking fun or having discussions are fine, but calling people retarded because they don’t agree with you is simply childish.
I wouldn’t call these chips complete failures.
Yes the GPU performance absolutely blows, but then why would any sane person buy a MediaTek device for gaming or a premium experience anyway?
It’s mostly for a communication / media experience – you know, Twitter / Instagram runs ok, videos play fine – that sort of thing. Not running NOVA 3 butter smooth while having 50 apps in memory – that’s not MediaTek’s territory.
Are you not aware that these chips are basically for emerging markets with extreme price sensitivity? And this is probably where I have a beef with MediaTek.
The X20 / X25 phones should all be in the < $200 price bracket given their features and performance, but they are way overpriced, whereas the SnapDragon 650 phones are selling for cheaper.
Similarly, the P10 phones should all be under the < $150 or even the $100 bracket given their abysmal performance, but plenty are selling above the $200 marks, God knows why.
I won't call these processors failures though, as they satisfy the needs of a niche price-sensitive non-premium segment that mostly run low-end apps and have non-demanding workflows.
However, overpriced? Absolutely yes. It's ridiculous to pay anything more than $200 for a MediaTek phone, even when it houses MediaTek's best chip, which is usually well behind QualComm's or Samsung's mid range chips.
You are obviously very poorly informed to not call these processors complete failures, so I’ll rest my case.
Are you even aware of present QC vs MT sales figures? Or in simpler terms, what’s leading, what’s selling, what’s sold out etc.? Or do you live inside a cave?
Quick Google for you: What’s the MediaTek X20 / X25 phone that is sold out, and what *ARE* the SD 65.x phones sold out?
Do the answers amuse you Mr. Analyst?
Now sales determine quality? So I guess you are going to tell us that Hyundai is better than Maserati because they sell more?
Keep trying.
No, but you’d have to be too much of an idiot to compare the two.
For starters, you compared an enthusiast-oriented car maker with another which targets a different segment. Not that I’d expect someone like you to have even a rudimentary ability to draw a more congruent comparison, but that comparison is already flawed. Does Honda sell more than Lamborghini? No, but look at the price difference you trogolodyte.
Both a CIVIC and a Murcielago will get you from point A to B comfortably, and maybe the Murcielago might have problems unless the roads are absolutely flawless. But one costs much, much more than the other.
But, here’s the thing you dumb dolt: What if, Lamborghini (Xiaomi), decided to make a commoner’s vehicle (SD 652 engine), with STELLAR mileage, outstanding features, and a bloody superb feature set, and priced it LOWER than the Honda? Then what?
Your stupidity is nauseating (especially as is apparent from the comparison you tried to draw).
More and more insults, you do realize it just makes you look childish and immature?
Xiaomi is a great brand that makes excellent devices. Their newest device launching tomorrow uses a X25.
Balco’s brain: “Shit. Ran out of arguments. Let me talk about auxiliary stuff so that I don’t have to talk about the real stuff”.
Types it out…….
Harvey’s brain: I love Qualcomm so much I make stuff up and suspend reality.
The amount of salt in your comments could make the darkest of coffees more salty than the entirety of the Red Sea.
Mediatek is really underrated. In truth their SoCs are better than Qualcomm in the CPU department. For instance take one of the newest offerings from both companies in the budget segment. MTK6750 and SD430. The SD430 has A53 Clocked at 1.4GHz while the 6750 has them Clocked at 1.0 GHz and 1.5 GHz. But the ones Clocked at 1.0 GHz are actually almost 20% faster than the ones of 430(Both 28 Nm). The only reason Qualcomm even has the slightest chance against Mediatek is because of Adreno.
And did you see how Qualcomms budget – Midrange devices fare in MC5? Mali GPUs handle it a lot better which proves that Adreno fares well in Games only because of the better optimisation for it.
It’s ridiculous to determine what one should or shouldn’t pay based on nothing more than the SoC. Airyl has a very good comparison down below of why you need to look at the whole phone and not just the SoC.
As an owner of a Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 powered by a X10 I can tell it’s quite a good SOC. Yes you need multi-threaded workloads to take advantage of all those 8 A53 cores but more and more browsers and other apps know how to utilize 8 cores and in these cases the X10 can easily compate to the Qualcomm stuff you mentioned if not even be better.
Actually I also have to mention that I use my phone for everyday stuff and nothing fancy and for that the X10 powered Redmi Note 2 is more than enough and not bad at all.
Qualcomm for the win!
The thing Qualcomm is winning most from these days are probably patent revenues π
Yes, yes they still make the most powerful SOCs but this is becoming less and less relevant.
The X20 for instance has more than enough CPU power and while the GPU side is debatable for anything but hardcore mobile gaming it’s more than enough.
And yet, SD 65.x phones are cheaper, and are better on every front, performance, gaming, build, displays, features, battery, audio and camera included.
So much for “more than enough”, while being pricier than better performing phones.
You’re talking about SoC’s and then you mention things that have NOTHING to do with the SoC like displays, features, build etc. Your fanboy level has reached new limits.
Those other features have to do with the Brand not with the SoC they use.
Where the X20 / X25 phone you’d recommended Balco, over and above the Redmi Note 3 or the Mi Max?
Or are there none? Or are you too scared to recommend it since it will be torn apart feature for feature, and embarrassed on the price point too?
I wouldn’t recommend too many phones over the RN3 because it is a great phone for the price. It isn;t a great phone because it has the SD650 and nothing else, it;s a great phone because it comes from Xiaomi who makes some of the best phones. Just like the Redmi Note 2 with Helio X10 was a great phone.
But I would choose the new Gionee M6+ over both of them. Helio P10 with a bigger battery, better display and better camera.
– Shittier performance (proven through other phones with P10)
– Will be much pricier (Knowing Gionee)
– Epicly crap updates, which will cease soon (Gionee)
– No 3.5mm jack (let me guess, doesn’t matter, right)?
– Shitty software compared to MIUI (doesn’t matter right?)
Amazing recommendation I must say.
Biggah is bettah (display), Biggah is bettah (battery).
I was expecting better. Sad that both of you (Airyl too) are recommending devices which have a shit SoC that struggles already, and hasn’t even touched any reviewers’ hands.
Sad, sad, sad. Is this what the conviction of fanboyism makes you do? Mislead others into making wrong purchasing decisions?
I have used a few P10 phones none of them struggle with anything except the most demanding games. 99% of the apps in the play store the P10 handles without issue.
The only fanboy here is you. Both Airyl and myself use phones with nearly every processor, we don’t choose our phones based on that. Both my current phones have a SD808, my tablet has an Intel chip (Xiaomi MiPad 2). My future phone has a SD820. I don’t buy a phone based on the SoC, I buy it based on the whole package.
Yeah, so much of a compelling reason to buy a P10 phone over an SD650 phone. As much as I hate to cite an AnTuTu reference, but here goes:
https://youtu.be/3Q6bvKS7tLo?t=871
The P10 based P9000 costs 219
The Redmi Note 3 2GB costs around 179-ish
The Redmi Note 3 3GB costs around 209-ish
Does it make sense? You’d recommend someone buy a P10 phone over and above an SD 65.x phone like the RN3?
Antutu scores? That’s what your using as your basis for performance. LOL.
The P10 based P9000 costs $219
The X25 based Meizu MX6 costs $330ish
The SD652 based Xperia X costs $500ish
Does it makes sense? You’d recommend someone buy a phone costing $500 with a SD650?
Once again you are arguing for the brand not for the SoC. You are very confused.
No, I’d simply tell these folks to ditch the Meizu and Sony, AND the P9000, just for the RN3.
You’d still recommend the P9000 over the RN3, wouldn’t you you sloppy old deranged fart? π
I would recommend the P9000 to anyone. Elephone is a crappy brand.
Xiaomi is one of my favorite brands but they are not for everyone.
Who needs TV? You need Har-V!
That made me spit out my tea! HAHA
Sure you *would*, that’s what I said.
And you *would*, even though you say Elephone is a crappy brand.
I completely agree with how you’re projecting your intellect to be.
That typo dough.
It’s quite clear what I meant to anyone with an ounce of common sense. Not surprising you didn’t understand.
Are there any other good cost effective 650 phones outside of the RN3? Why is that the only phone you mention?
I’d tell them “Hey, what do you want from your device?”, take the feedback and the give them a suggestion according to what they need. Because that guy needs dual sim card slots, and I’m afraid the Note 3 doesn’t deliver on that.
Stupid dolt. Note 3 does dual sim just fine. See here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_note_3-7863.php
Now don’t talk about dual sim cards AND an SD card mate. We aren’t inbreeding phones in West Virginia anymore, and 32GB is fine for most folks.
I’d tell them “Hey, the P9000 has a relatively really shitty engine powering the device, and costs more unfortunately, while being built by folks who abandon you from day 1 when it comes to updates. It’s a dead-on-arrival use-and-throw device with the resale value of solied toitel paper on a subway toilet floor. Get the RN3, save money, enjoy a premium device”.
Stupid dolt.
So when someone says “but this doesn’t suit my needs” you call them inbreeders and leave them with it? Good job.
I’d honestly say just leave the P9000 and get a Vernee Thor or Ulefone Power. Both do everything the Xiaomi can do, but cheaper and with stock Android.
No, I just like to point out liars such as yourself and Balco, who will go to any extent to propagate their lies.
Balco tried to tell everyone that Gionee’s models have 3.5 mm audio jacks when they don’t, and were confirmed in a hands on sometime back.
You just tried to tell everyone that the RN3 doesn’t do dual sim when it does.
I don’t like liars with agendas and they deserve to be treated condescendingly.
The Redmi Note 3 doesn’t do dual sim, it’s only got one sim slot and a screen. The screen isn’t even IPS, it’s so shitty.
Idiot:
http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_redmi_note_3-7863.php
Go on YouTube and check the sim tray you stupid dolt.
Nah, I don’t need to google trash like that. Obviously the Elephone Vowney is so much better, open your eyes you fanboy.
Have you asked yourself though, that why you’re propagating a lie on a spec, something which is laughable to argue over?
Bad day for you I guess. It’s like claiming a car with a certain feature doesn’t have it, and I refuse to Google it because it hurts by preconceived notion which must not be proved wrong.
Ouch! π
Nah, it’s just that I don’t need to google your garbage. I already know I’m right. The Redmi Note 3 doesn’t support dual sim at all. It doesn’t even support 2100WCDMA. Obviously it’s garbage.
Ooooh the burn. The smells is drifting till where I am you inbred dolt! π
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAe9uYR4U_0
Tell me oh wise one, what is that whole on the top of the device that is shaped like a 3.5mm jack?
First thing you got correct on this one, and -1 to GSMArena.
So the larger model does not have the 3.5mm jack while the smaller model does.
Does this mean the 3.5mm jack makes it a better buy than the RN3 which also has a 3.5mm jack?
Sure, for the folks on this episode of Mauree’s. π
Balco and Airyl, what dumb twats you both are.
Of course it does. It basically means the Redmi Note 3 is obsolete since the Gionee has better everything. Better display, better cameras, better design, better sound, better life, better wife.
No but the bigger battery, better camera and better display do make it a better buy. The Redmi Pro launching tomorrow will probably be a better buy than the RN3 as well.
No chance in hell.
– UI will stutter occassinally.
– Gaming is will much crappier vs. the Adreno 510.
– Will be more expensive for nothing.
What “features” or “performance parameters” will make the Redmi Pro a better buy? None. Lol @ the GPU.
-OH NO MY UI STUTTERED ONCE THIS WEEK, WOE IS ME
– NOT THAT ONE EXTRA FRAME! HOW WILL I CRUSH CANDY NOWWWWWWW?!??!!
– I PAYED EXTRA MONEY FOR THIS GREAT DISPLAY, SOUND QUALITY, BUILD AND CAMERA! BOOHOO
Basically everything EXCEPT the GPU. I know how much that 1 frame matters to you, I understand.
Why is the P9000 the only phone you mention? Because it’s one of the worst phones out?
I wouldn’t recommend the P9000, obviously, I’d recommend the LeTV Le1.
Yeah, crappy camera suddenly doesn’t matter anymore.
Winning the argument with a generation old phone matters.
The Le1 definitely has the better camera. Because, you know, I actually tried the devices.
Lies, lies, and more lies. From the GizChina review, and consistent with ALL other reviews:
https://www.gizchina.com/2015/06/11/letv-1-x600-review/
“Itβs the same sensor as the Xiaomi Mi Note, and while the more expensive Xiaomi does create better photos (just) I feel the speed of the Le 1 is faster”
“If I must complain about the camera then there are times the auto focus isnβt quite as accurate as I might like, and in low light situations the algorithms do sometimes overcompensate too much and create an blotchy βpaintedβ images with loss of detail”
How many more lies coming up Airyl?
You do know Andi’s talking about the MI NOTE, right? You do know that the Redmi Note 3’s camera is only average, no? You do understand Qualcomm isn’t going to pay you for this mean blowjob?
Hahaha the Mi NOTE and the REDMI NOTE are completely different phones.
As far as camera goes the Redmi Note 3 is average at best.
Why do you only mention 1 particular phone? Are there any other 650 phones that you ccan mention?
– Shittier performance? You mean slightly worse performance. Shitty performance is the Snapdragon 615.
– Which means squat.
– Because you see into the future.
– Like I said, I don’t need it.
– Yeah, pretty much.
Bigger is better, AMOLED is also better.
I expected nothing out of you, somehow got less.
Just let him rant. It’s more entertaining to see what logic comes out of his mind.
I’m milking it. I’m going to use the lines that come out in my next presentation.
You call that logic? I like messing with fanboys! Especially ones like him that just suspend reality in an attempt to be the smartest person in the room.
The best comment so far was that Qualcomm SoC;s have better displays and batteries.
His own logic of course (Which he has none), Balco. I was being sarcastic. haha
This is really just enjoyment for both Airyl and myself.
And me! π
Har-V! It’s fun for the whole family!
Looks like he’s gone now. This comments section is gold lol. Night everyone.
We proved him wrong to the point he had no more comebacks. Back to my afternoon tea.
u enjoying this π ?
I am lol
π
π
This is brilliant…
Sorry but this is all a fantastic reaction to my comment hahaha!
YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!
π
so .. i gess’
u savage af too ?
Yeah, I love it when my SoC has a display, camera and battery built in.
Why not talk in terms of real world devices Airyl (something which both you and Balco avoid entirely, while pretenting to be know-it-all fuckalls of the worst kind).
Show me a P10 / X10 / X20 / X25 device that you’d recommend over and above the Redmi Note 3 (SD 650 + 3GB version), with reasons (feature wise) why?
Let me guess, you’re fisting yourself now, right?
Gionee M6+ – AMOLED display, better cameras, good processor and larger battery.
– No dates or prices
– Neither phone has a 3.5mm jack
(Surprising, since the hypotherical shitty QC device you concocted up had no 3.5mm jack either, but funny you recommend a phone as such, stupid dolt fanboy)
– Not been benchmarked for synthetics
– Not been reviewed for real world usage
– Initial launch is China only
– Knowing Gionee, will cost MUCH more than Xiaomi
– And much more for NOTHING substantial
– Graphics will be substandard (already proven by reviews)
And yet, you ALREADY say it’s a better device than the existing, benchmarked, tried and tested Redmi Note 3.
Jerry Springers plus home grown crack, right Airyl?
Also, suddently software and feature won’t matter anymore, right? Who gives a crap if Gionee has an abysmal track record of pushing out updates.
Have to win the argument, OMG! Gionee, help Airyl!!!!!
LOL…..
So are you arguing that Xiaomi is better or that Qualcomm is better? They aren’t the same thing. Xiaomi also makes phones with Mediatek devices. Are the Xiaomi phones not as good?
Of course they are. I’m saying what I’ve been saying all along. Let me summarize so that stupid dolts like yourselves can understand.
– SD 65.x is significantly superior than X20 / X25, on all fronts
– Phones housing SD6 are currently better on all fronts than anything housing the X20 / X25, while being cheaper
– This will continue to be the case for the rest of the year
– There is no reason why people should buy an X20 / X25 phone over an existing SD6 phone, since the argument that the X20 / X25 phone may do some features better is utter bollocks (as was proven by Airyl citing the laughable M6+ as a counter example, ha ha)
Does it make sense now? Or is the pot still clouding your already shoddy dolt-like judgment?
Except for it is not significantly superior on all fronts.
– The Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 is cheaper and beater. Not all SD650/52 phones are. Here are several that are not cheaper:
Alcatel Idol 4S – $399
Sony Xperia X – $500
Vivo Xplay 5 – $548
Oppo R9 Plus – $500
There is no reason why people should pay $500 for a Sony Xperia X when there are cheaper and better phones using the Helio X20/25.
Does it make sense now? Xiaomi isn’t the only company using the Sd650.
Isn’t the Redmi Note 4 supposed to be using the X25 anyhow, and if so then Harvey’s entire argument it moot.
BTW I see that you owned or currently own a Le Max 2 i’m strongly considering the 6GB/128GB model but i’m currently using Redmi Note 3 Pro. I will say this phone is cheaper than the rest for a reason, the build quality is shit and the cam is mediocre at best. My LeTV Le 1S has a much better cam after it’s updates and the build quality is phenomenal….seriously it’s like touching a freaking MacBook Pro. Apple’s own iPhones 6S doesn’t even feel this sturdy in hand. The saving grace of the RN3 is the battery life, SOC and MicroSD slot.
Anyhow just wanted your opinion of whether or not the SD820 is a big enough jump from the SD650.
I have never owned a LeEco before. But I have used several phones with SD820 and SD650. It all comes down to what you actually do on your phone. If you are a hardcore gamer than the jump is worth it, if not it’s probably not worth the extra money.
So let me translate this.
You want us to find a Helio X20 phone that performs better than the Snapdragon 650 while also costing less and have better features?
You see, the problem is, you can’t find a Snapdragon 820 device with better performance than a MTK6753 while also costing less than it.
The Helio X20 beats the 650, it’s just that you can’t find a cheaper X20 because it’s just a plain better SoC.
And while you keep saying the Gionee M6+ is a bad device, your reasons why simply don’t matter to me. The device suits my needs perfectly. Why would I pick the Redmi Note 3 over the M6+ when everything I need is on the M6+?
On top of that, the Redmi Note 3 is the only cheap Snapdragon 650 device that matters. The rest are $400 and above, completely destroying your point.
Because the SD650 has a display!!!
And a battery!!!
Benchmarks and synthetics mean nothing for real world usage.
While the Gionee version will cost more than Xiaomi, the Blu version will be the same or cheaper than Xiaomi.
“Proven by reviews”. You have seen reviews on the M6+?
Idiot Balco: GSMARENA already confirmed that NEITHER phone has a 3.5mm jack. See here you stupid dolt.
http://www.gsmarena.com/gionee_m6_and_m6_plus_unveiled_huge_phones_huge_batteries-news-19618.php
Extracted verbatim:
“Note that neither phone has a 3.5mm audio jack.”
Read, for heaven’s sake you stupid ADHD dolt.
Read my comment again, more of the name calling I see because you can’t have an intellectual conversation. So instead you resort to being a 12 year old.
You lied. You tried to convey that the M6+ has a 3.5mm audio jack, when GSMArena confirmed that neither do.
Why do you lie so much? And adamantly so? Stupid dolt.
The regular M6 has a 3.5mm jack according to Gionee.
http://z.gionee.com/details-pc/m6/params.html
When people can’t hold an intellectual argument they resort to childish personal attacks.
How intuitive and utterly reasonable.
The larger phone with more real estate ditches something housed in the smaller phone.
God, it couldn’t have been a typo, and GSMArena must have been blind.
Considering it is coming from the company themselves I would say they are more reliable source than GSM Arena.
Considering that it must have been typed out by an underpaid black collared web designer somewhere in China, I would say that the hands on photos from GSMArena are more reliable.
Balco, This Harvey person is just going in circles. He has nothing smart to say and has a thing for Jerry Springer apparently. The debate was on SOC but somehow now it’s about certain phone models. End of the day with obvious fact sheet and specs to back it up, the Helio X20 chipset, persay. Not in a form of wtv phone being Zopo or wtv is a better stronger chipset than 650.
You said something really, really smart sometime back. Decacore and all.
“Everyone, more cores are bettah for ya, believe that”.
What episode of Springer’s did you feature in? The hillbillies one I guess? Stupid dolt.
Oh, wow. Resorting to insults now. You must be a minor. haha. Can’t hold an adult conversation.
That’s all he really has.
You said something smart too. Oh wait…
Can you carry on an intelligent, mature conversation without personal attacks? Is that too hard for you?
That his problem he doesn’t realize his argument is in favor of Xiaomi not so much Qualcomm.
– Doesn’t make it a bad device.
– I don’t need one. My phone connects to my speaker via blutetooth, and my headphones are always connected to the speakers.
– And?
– I thought you said Helio P10 devices all sucked? So some don’t suck?
– Which was the same for every Redmi Note 3.
– Which means what exactly?
– Except it does everything better?
– So there are no reviews, but there are already reviews? Good job.
Yeah, it is for me because I don’t give a shit about my phone loading one extra frame while playing Asphalt. I actually want my phone to last more than 3 hours when I play Asphalt and still be able to send my emails after I’m done.
So how much did Qualcomm pay you again?
That’s so you can see what’s going on inside of your phone!
dirty minds :p
lol
Lol, look when I bought my Redmi Note 2 this Helio X10 powered one was better than anything out there at this price. Qualcomm didn’t have anything nearly as good at $200.
The only thing Qualcomm had at the X10 price back then was the Snapdragon 801. I benchmarked a phone with the Snapdragon 801 vs. my X10. CPU score was about the same but the X10 has 8 cores vs. 4 so X10 had double the CPU scores in multi-threading. GPU was the 801 was 2 times better than the really weak GPU in the X10 ( again I don’t care for games so it didn’t matter to me ).
Right now yes the Redmi Note 3 Pro is a great value so I’d probably get that or just spend a bit more for a LeTV powered by an X20. I think it’s $40 extra tops but to be honest that’s not a problem for me.
I don’t honestly care that much. I like Mediatek because they have a better CPU and a weaker GPU. Since I don’t play games I don’t give a crap about the CPU so … π
not to mention , their low priced phones ALLOW for an ‘economic’ tranquility in the market…
Name a phone with an X20 / X25 chip which is cheaper than a phone with an SD 650 / 652 chip?
don’t drag me into this … i don’t even have a smartphone :p
im just enjoying the show π
The Vernee Apollo Lite is much cheaper than the Xperia X.
Why should a phone with a X20/25 be cheaper than SD 650/600? X20/25 is a stronger chipset. Should a SD820 be cheaper than X20? of course not. X20 has the same performance as a kirin 950, Do you see a Kirin 950 phone being cheaper than a phone that has SD 650? of course not. (besides, the clearly overpriced Vivo V3 Max) regardless of the popularity of SD over MTK in mobile phones
The Meizu Mx6 is cheaper than the Oppo R9 Plus.
Oppo is always expensive.
The RN3 is the benchmark.
Cheaper than that and better?
Actually the RN3 is the exception, every other phone with the SD650 is expensive, some even more expensive than phones with the much better SD820.
LG G5 for example, is being sold here as a SE Variant, has the SD652 and costs about 800$…
Didnt you know the only phone with a SD650 is the RN3? According to Mister Harvey it is at least.
@api182:disqus u joking right ? had too much to drink π ?
Haha, I just enjoy stiring things up a little here every now and then… It can get too serious and dull once in awhile…
That aside, I am chuffed to bits with my Op3 SD820… Though honestly, in real world usage, it’s not really much better than my OPO was lol but maybe that’s because Cyanogen know exactly how to smack the G-Spot of phone performance hahaha…
I just wanted the fingerprint scanner and NFC for mobile payments! ya know? Lol
This article’s got more than 160 comments lol. It’s pretty much a party down here.
Shows the hatred (or just “opinionatedness”) folks have when it comes to MediaTek.
More hate than support I guess. I too haven’t had a very good experience with MediaTek I’m afraid, maybe things have changed now. I’m all Samsung mid-range anyway, and happy!
Samsung’s new devices are cool. Somewhat pricey, but the things perform quite well.
Check again. With a Marshmallow a lot of memory leaks again geting to bad battery life, again lot of additional framework problems & all on their flagship’s wile everything else geting far less attention if any.
What was the last device you used with Mediatek and what SoC was it?
With Mediatek a lot of times people blame the SoC when the phone itself is utter crap. With Qualcomm they do the opposite.
You know how much fun we like to have with fanboys, doesnt matter the topic.
“get too serious and dull once in awhile…”
thankyou , THANKYOU for mentioning this !!!
it is so true , sometimes these forums feel all empty and like a void. we should defo do these sort of ‘unsettling’ activities every once in a while to keep it fun and lively π
glad to know you’re happy with the OP3 ! (that G-spot reference tho , ( Ν‘Β° ΝΚ Ν‘Β°) … getting naughty , are we ? )
fingerprint and NFC is good … but whats with the mobile payments ? are they a new fad or something .. ??? aren’t used much here in Pak tho
Android Pay…
Not properly started using it yet, the US have had it since day one I believe but we in the UK have only just got it about a month or 2 back…
I like the concept of being able to leave the house with just my phone and leave the wallet at home…
Not that I would do it intentionally, but I wouldn’t feel terrible if I had accidentally done it then if I could pay with my phone everywhere would I…
It’s basically what stopped me ‘upgrading’ to the OP2 back in the day, which I look back now and think that was a blessing in disguise it not having NFC! lol!
π
indeed
Cyanogen did it so good that they are broke now.
Sounds amazing on paper, waiting for phones to comes with DDR3 900mhz with it anyway though as usual.
lel
lel indeed! π
RealJJJ is going to be very jealous he didn’t get to “leak” this info first. Cue his crazy rants in 3..2.. oh wait it’s already happened.
The Forest Gump division trolling again?
I truly hope you are not older than 8. If you are i pity you and your family. If you need money for medicine, please let us know.
You associate me with one of the greatest and most successful movies of all time? I take that as a compliment.
Tell us all another joke today. I love the one about how glasses are going to replace TV’s. Or enlighten us more on your in-depth knowledge of investments. Those were both hilarious yesterday.
I read that one too, thanks to him I’m not going to replace my TV now that I know it’s dead. Saved me a fortune! Lol
Yup just get a pair of glasses! No need for a TV.
I heard somewhere that they have to be polarized.
The cheap ones you find at the dollar store won’t work apparently.
Damnit! Guess I’ll just have to live in the stone age and stick with my TV.
Lol
HI MAX
Hey wassup Muhammad bhai?
Im Fine. Aap Sunaen π ?
Can’t speak hurdu yet π
I have a dear friend from Lahore
aww…
It’s Urdu you dumb twat, not hurdu.
Shut up you faggot
I actually feel honored to consider me part of this Forest gump division lol
One of the highest grossing and most critically acclaimed movies of all time, also considered one of the top 100 movies of all time on many lists. I think that one backfired on him!
Why the hostility? He’s just having a bit of fun.
A little immature to include family over a petty talk now isn’t it.
you apparently din’t read what he said to MaxPower the other day …
What did he say? haha
i forgot the exact wording .. but he went real personal…
i guess it was MaxPower spreading around some false info (ACTUALLY FALSE) in a sort of a trolling manner … even Balco was lightly pissed that day π
im thinking it was last month or something
It doesn’t matter how hard he tries to sound like a grown up man.
He spoofs himself at the very first sentence
So much for LeEco not buying Vizio. Another one of your “I know it all” predictions that was proven wrong.
HAHHA … damn balco u savage AF !
Man there is a fuck ton of cancer in this comments.
Ayup.
That’s what happens when you have fanboys of a particular company. It brings out the worst in people.
what are u talking about π ?
2x A73 (2.8GHz) + 4x A35 (2GHz) + 4x A35 (2GHz) would be much better for phones, as energywise and enough performance to beat atleast SD820, not maybe SD830.
I’m going to be skeptical until I see benchmarks and reviews depicting real world usage.
I have a 6753 based phone and it’s fine, but have always wanted to have a flagship without paying an obnoxious premium. The Snapdragon 820 phones will fall in prices by year end, but not so sure if the X30 based phones will be priced low (should be very, very high in fact).
Does anyone know what are some upcoming Snapdragon 820 phones in the pipeline for 2016? I still haven’t made up my mind and nearly got the OnePlus 3, but I’ll wait a bit.
Thanks.
gonna wait for cheap 820 phones too…
There already here with Axon 7 and OP3, that’s about as cheap as it will get anytime soon.
And the xiaomi mi5
Yup, only problem with the Mi5 compared to the other two is it has limited LTE bands.
Just get the LeTV Le Max 2
It’s so much better than the OP3 and will get a new 128 GB Version.
That’s what I’m buying, because X30 phones will not launch anytime soon
ZTE Axon 7 was just launched. Supposedly the Xaiomi Mi Note 2 will have SD821.
Hey thanks for responding, unfortunately I don’t think the ZTE Axon 7 will be available where I live. So I’ll be looking out for the Mi Note 2, although it may be a bit pricey for my budget. Is the 821 a brand new fab and SoC or something like a clock speed bump?
But I have to say, this whole Redmi naming scheme is quite hard to follow. Note, Note Prime, Note 1 / 2, Note Pro, Note 3 and Note this / that, and each one is wildly confusing to think in terms of generational descendants. Gets me every time, ha ha.
Redmi is the budget line. You have the regular Redmi series which is usually a 5 inch or aller screen. The Redmi note series is usually the same phone with a bigger screen. The plain notes are closer to flagships.
iZ A73 better than A72 ???
the cpus ending in 3’s have always been half assed than the ones ending with 2’s
(6752 >>> 6753 and 6732 >>> 6735 )
Not only they are better but are also first ones from a big cores that will find their way in more budget even entry lv SoC’s Muhammad. ?
NICE ! (means more powerful phones with a better price π ?)
I elaborated up in a coment pretty much. As A73 are just 2x the size of A53s they can fit & replace them In a lower mid range octa core A53 SoC’s as quad core A73 ones & in uper entry lv 4x A53’s as dual A73’s. SoC’s won’t get cheaper as it’s time to get GPU’s on desirable FHD lv nor will phones get cheaper with putting more & more shits that you really don’t need in them like dual camera’s, eye & fingerprint scanners & cetera.
They will certainly get “more powerful” in this base segments.
but but … dual cam is love , dual cam is LIFE π
What lol? The X25 isn’t even up and about?
MediaTek, release some stuff dammit! π π
There’s already a few X25 phones out.
lel
Long time lurker on these forums. After all the…discussion…today, thought I’d weigh in. Not going to get into whether the SD 650/652 is better or worse than the helio x20/25, but there are plenty of reasons to purchase a phone with either soc. I am currently using a meizu m2 note with the 6753….suits my needs very well. I don’t game, but use my phone for business. I want something relatively inexpensive with a good display, great battery life, good camera, and enough processing power to be responsive in typical usage (the mi4 and mi4c are hard to turn down at their current price of $120, but I’m spoiled by my 5.5 inch screen). The Redmi note 3 pro is currently at the top of my list to replace my m2 note, not just because of the SD 650, but because besides the mediocre camera it meets all my requirements. I’d also consider the 360 n4s, or vernee Apollo lite pending reviews. If the camera on the upcoming redmi pro lives up to expectations, that will jump to the top of the list. Again, not because of the soc but because of the overall package. Unless you are a serious gamer, the vast majority of current soc options are perfectly adequate for day to day use, and as such are a secondary consideration in selecting my next phone. To be honest, if it was still available, I’d love to see a 6752 powered phone with a great display, 4000+mah battery and top notch camera… Use the money saved by using a mediocre chipset on improving the rest of the phone.
Similar experience here. I have a 6752 device which now feels like a mistake since the price I paid was almost equal to the Redmi note 3. I’m planning to switch to the Mi Max though, not the Note 3, because I like big displays π
All I can say is I don’t use MediaTek phones because I play a lot of games and the experience in the past was quite poor (had a 6595 phone).
Why doesn’t MediaTek improve the GPU’s a bit?
They are again making a shit out of the SoC. Again stupidly capitalizing on synthetic performance scores rather than going for power consumption & user performance. From a Design standpoint that what they are doing is totally wrong & they also made a lot IP licensing mistakes.
Will elaborate but I won’t go into details.
If we start from CPU config A73s are around 25-30% more power efficient than A72s & they are also expected to be around 15% faster (clock per clock). But real thing no one is comparing & it should is that they are around 2x size of of A53s wile they are capable to deliver around 175% performance of one A53 core. What does this really mean? Well it means that they are capable of efficiently totally replacing the A53s wile staying in the desirable power consumption this naturally makes the A53s obsolete now. If you combine the A73s with TSMC 10nm FF+ lithography & compare it to let’s say 20 nm planar one used on P10 the power consumption is down for about 35~40% so a A73 @ 1 GHz in 10nm is almost equivalently fast as A53 @ 1.8GHz on 20nm will A73 this way will drove around 30% less power. Well you may ask ok but still A73 is 2x the size of the A53s. & yes so you cut off the quad A53 cluster of & there you go you have two additional A73s for the same cost. Another moronic aspect is pushing maximum frequencies out of pore A73 dual core cluster of 2.8 GHz. Well they aren’t efficient at all at so large frequencies! ARM used a 10nm FF+ A73s clocked at 1.8GHz to show their efficiency & I believe that is a top frequency at 10nm FF+ that keeps power consumption under control & everything beyond that is insane & leaks and spills like crazy. Now do mind how 4x A73 @ 1.8GHz will use only half the energy needed for 2x A73s @ 2.8 GHz. Considering performance al do 2x A73s @ 2.8 are around 70% faster than those @ 1.8 in the apps that support utilization of all 4 cores they will be about the same speed. Now most of apps use only two cores but I think that offered performance of A73s at 1.8GHz is more than enough for anything you trow on it, on the other hand quad cluster of A73s will certainly faster start & switch between multiple heavy apps or games.
My actual proposition for the CPU part of the SoC would be quad A73 @1.8 GHz & dual A35 dedicated cluster @ variable top frequencies depending of the state & going from 400 MHz up to 1000 MHz (for offloading; standby, sleep, nand, music playback and cetera). When we come to GPU yes the new Quad cluster TX7 Rogue will certainly be 30~35% faster than quad cluster T860 – T880 but it will also consume a little more power, be bigger & cost considerably more, actually much more. Well to start with the license & royalty for Rogue from imagination cost actually quite more & when you add how much rooting it on 10nm FinFET costs and that their is no POP for it you get the picture. On the other hand the new Mali G71 gen is cheaper to produce, pay for smaller on silicone & even probably a bit faster & their is also a typed out POP license ready for 10nm FF+. So I would totally go with quad cluster MALI & would clock it lower to around 500 MHz so that it can achieve performance of T860 MP4 at 700 MHz found on X20 wile consuming less then half power (taking & manufacturing process difference in to account). All this with really capable accelerators mostly DSP’s would make a really good well balanced SoC that would be their for all real user need & would consume less than half of power needed for this junk & would still actually cost to produce a little less.
So X30 is in my opinion badly made product same as it’s predecessor.
I’m not an expert on any of this so I won’t be able to comment on the intricacies you’ve written about, but even as a regular user I know that QualComm makes better chipsets.
I have a Lenovo Vibe X3 with the 808 and I bought it against the advice of many who told me it’s a dated processor, go with XYZ from MediaTek, much cheaper this that.
Bought it, and have never looked back. Superb gaming performance, and buttery smooth operation.
QC had slip offs, MTK also had some design wins probably accidentally but I don’t prefer neither would prefer Texas Instruments or Broadcom that QC killed if they ware back. I simply don’t have a problem going openly and honestly about the product.
Ah the sons-of-bitches are at it again. Another crappy chip in the making.
hello 10 year old kiddo .. go back to mummy she’s calling you
Lol … you got it right bro.
If you say MT SoCs are crappy, you dont know anything about them.
Helio X20 will be enough for time being inside nice new elephone S7
Hmm, I guess the gpu is powerVR GT7400. Still a huge step up from the crappy mali gpu. I wish they could have chosen the powerVR GT7600 which is the same gpu powering apple iphone 6splus and SE models.
Great π Surfscroll