Open Thread: Who will launch the first Helio X20 phone?


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The Mediatek Helio X20 chipset is hot property and phone makers around China are already claiming that they’ll be first with the 10 core processor, but who do you think will come out on top?

The processor wars really turned around last year. Mediatek really delivered with some solid chipsets culminating in the Helio X10, while Qualcomm had a few issues (SD615 and SD820).

With 2016 underway we are all looking at these two chip makers and in particular we are interested in Mediatek and the new Mediatek Helio X20 chipset, or more accurately which phone brand will offer it first?

Helio X20

meizu pro 5 mini helio x20

The Helio X20 is a 10 core processor made up of 4 x Cortex A53 1.4Ghz cores, 4 x A53 2.0Ghz cores and 2 x A72 12.5Ghz cores. The idea behind this core configuration is that the chip can switch ‘gears’ depending on what we ask of it.

For basic everyday usage the 1.4Ghz cores will be enough to keep us trucking, while more intensive processes will force the Helio X20 to change gears to 2.0Ghz. Then finally a turbo boost of A72 cores at 2.5Ghz for really tough work.

helio x20

Switching cores like this means that only certain cores are active when they are needed which should make the chip more efficient and help with battery life.

It’s not just about the core set up though, the Helio X20 also features up to 32 mega-pixel camera support, 2K and 4K HDR video, an Arm Mali GPU and better LTE support (even when compared to the Helio X10).

Who will have the Mediatek Helio X20 first?

So we know the Helio X20 is going to be better, but what we don’t know is which phone maker will have it first?

Zopo – Probability of being first: 8.5/10

zopo zpeed 8 helio x20

Zopo say that they will be the first with the Mediatek Helio X20 chipset and that their Zopo Speed 8 phone will be the first X20 phone.

Zopo plan to launch the Zopo Speed 8 at MWC this year and have already confirmed a fingerprint scanner, 2K display, alloy chassis and NFC. Expect a 21 mega-pixel camera, at least 4GB RAM and USB type C too.

For Zopo to say that they will be the first with a Helio X20 is great marketing but can it possibly be true? Well we have already seen Zopo get an exclusive first with the 8 core MT6592 a few years back, so it could be possible that the two brands are working together once again.

Doogee – Probability of being first: 8/10

doogee f7 helio x20 2k phone

Doogee have never been a brand to be caught up in a flagship race but this year they are and like Zopo they plan to release their phone at MWC.

Doogee say the Doogee F7 will be the first phone in the world to feature a Helio X20 chipset. They go on to say that the Doogee F7 will feature other flagship features such as a 2K display, force touch, Sony IMX230 main camera, and will cost less than $170.

While we doubt the pricing (unless that’s the presale offer price) we do think that Doogee could be first. They are after all owned by KVD who are one of the largest OEM phone makers in China so buying power isn’t an issue, but only time will tell if they will be first or not.

Meizu – Probability of being first: 7/10

Meizu Metalhelio x20

Meizu have a lot of options for their Helio X20 phone. They have the Meizu Metal 2, Meizu Meilan Note 2,  Meizu Pro 5 Mini or even Meizu MX6, but so far we haven’t heard an announcement about any being official or any having the 10 core processor.

Meizu is a close partner with Mediatek, but that doesn’t mean the the Taiwan chipmaker wants to give Meizu first dibs on their latest hardware, after all that would upset other partners.

Elephone – Probability of being first 6.5/10

p9000 helio x20

The probability of Elephone being the first to announce their Helio X20 phone is 10/10, in fact they already started with P9000 Edge rumours last week. But we are talking about the first to launch and Elephone is a long shot.

From past experience we know Elephone are slower to market than we would like, the company knows it too and we are seeing signs that Elephone will be much more careful this year. The announcement and fast launch of the P9000 was a good sign of this, and the fact that they say the Helio X20 in the P9000 Edge is ‘under discussion’ is another.

Chances of a Helio X20 phone from Elephone first are very slim, but chances of a reformed Elephone for 2016 are very high.

Oukitel – Probability of being first 5.5/10

oukitel k6000 premium helio x20

Oukitel leaked that their K6000 Pro was in development and that it would feature the mighty Helio X20 and even a uber high resolution 2K display in November.

Those initial rumours also told of 4GB RAM, 128GB internal memory and a 21 mega-pixel Sony IMX230 rear camera all powered by a huge 6000mAh battery. We are sure this phone (or one similar) is going to happen, but Oukitel are going to wait for hardware prices to drop to make the cost of the phone as competitive as possible before it’s released.

Xiaomi – Probability of being first 5/10

Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 Pro Specifications

Unless Xiaomi suddenly decide the Xiaomi Mi5 is going to get the Helio X20 then the chances of Xiaomi being first are very slim indeed. The phone maker already announced new Redmi flavours and we don’t see more Redmi phones on the horizon until summer.

HTC – Probability of being first 5/10

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HTC have been gaining traction in China and the idea of the company making a new flagship for the local market with the latest from Mediatek is plausible, but not likely so early in the year.

No doubt HTC will release a Helio X20 phone but they will likely wait until after MWC for a China only version of their next gen international flagship with 10 core chip.

Shallots – Probability of being first 1/10

shallots helio x20

Back in November Shallots showed off their first render of an all alloy phone that they say will have a Helio X20 chipset. The phone features a rear fingerprint scanner, laster focus and 128GB internal memory, but don’t expect to see it anytime soon.

Shallots could launch a Helio X20 phone, but they tend to be very late to the hardware party and only focus on the Chinese market.

Who do you think will offer the Helio X20 first?

As you can see we didn’t list Bluboo, Blackview, Cubot etc, and that’s simply because we know they are working on Helio P10 phones for now not X20 models (yet). With the information above and your own knowledge of Chinese phone brands who do you think will launch a Mediatek Helio X20 phone first in 2016?

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144 Comments

  1. Steven Fox
    January 19, 2016

    HAhaxha, I like how the memory segment also says 10 core CPU ahxhaxha.
    MTK is focusing again on the CPU performance as it raises the Antutu and Geekbench scores more than the better GPU and most people who are “in the dark” about what a GPU is and how it functions will eat it all up.
    In the end it`s gonna offer a Kirin 950 performance at 2/3 of the price, so it`s going to be a bargain, people 😀

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      For most people the CPU/GPU has more power than they will ever use at any given time. What people need to pay more attention to is the efficiency of each of these chips, but that doesn’t offer flash numbers to compare.

    • realjjj
      January 19, 2016

      Note Kirin 950 with it’s small GPU and 1080p screen in sustained perf http://www.anandtech.com/bench/PhoneTablet14/995
      X20 has a bit less perf, will still do better than SD810/808.
      Knowing doesn’t mean seeing a 1 minute benchmark and thinking that’s what you get.

      • Steven Fox
        January 20, 2016

        Will do better in the CPU department, but the GPU is maybe on par with SD808’s Adreno 418, but definitely not with Adreno 430.
        I would call it a good trade-off, as you use the CPU allot more and the chance that it probably won`t throttle down is great.
        Nothing coming in the next year on Android to push the graphics beyond what a Mali 880MP4 is capable, so you don`t have to worry about not being able to run a game smoothly.

    • Muhammad Yasir
      January 19, 2016

      hey come on now , don’t be a qualcomm fanboi !

      • Steven Fox
        January 20, 2016

        I`m not, it`s just that whoever did the sheet obviously made a mistake:D

        • Muhammad Yasir
          January 20, 2016

          chinese are v.fond of typos
          the least you can do is forgive 😀

  2. Rob
    January 19, 2016

    Interesting that none of the ‘big boys’ feature on this list. I think Zopo will be first but looking at all the rumored specs there seems to be a strong pattern emerging. 2K display, 21mp camera, 4GB RAM etc, seems to me that there is probably a single OEM going to manufacture the phones for all these brands so likely the main difference will be the software rather than the hardware.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      I think those are just becoming the standard specs for a phone like this, much like 3GB RAM, 1080p and 13mp (usually IMX 214) used to be the standard. I know a few of these are made by different OEM’s.

  3. E8hffff
    January 19, 2016

    I’d probably like Oukitel to be first or near the first. If they bring out a X20 based phone with finger reader and NFC, and a bonus with IR diode, I’d be real happy. Obviously it would have to have 21/8MP+ camera arrangement.

    Oukitel seems to be a solid company but a little slow to inform Customers of news.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      “Obviously it would have to have 21/8MP+ camera arrangement.”

      Even if they used the 16mp sensor (234/240) found on the Nubia Z9, LG G4 and Galaxy S6?

  4. E8hffff
    January 19, 2016

    Regarding who will be out first depends on stock numbers. If Mediatek can’t supply fast enough then stock will go to the big sellers first, like Xiaomi, Meizu, USA brands, etc. The alternative is if Mediatek can supply, then it will come down to who’s got the finances to purchase, then Elephone, Shallots, Zopo, and Doogee maybe last.

    Elephone if successfully on P10 based phones may raise enough industrial street cred and money to get Mediatek on-board early.

    Currently Elephone are burn their Vowney customers. Elephone should have canned the Vowney like they were contemplating last month. Then remodel it with USB3, IR diiode and captive buttons, or replace it with the P9000 Edge.

    People are forgetting the Mediatek X12 will be a nice SoC too.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      The question is, will Elephone customers like you, finally realize how bad this company is? Or will you continue to get burned?

      • E8hffff
        January 19, 2016

        The Elephone Vowney is still a fantastic purchase regarding the hardware, but there are questions to the software support.

        Elephone has not kept their open source code policy.

        The Vowney is clearly being left behind with P9000 grabbing all the attention in house. I told people months back that Elephone was considering ditching the Vowney for the P9000 Edge but I think they struggled telling Retailers to cancel orders and refund. Elephone has persevered in releasing the Vowney in short supply and not giving it the manufacturing time to fulfil order quotas.

        In time with other phones from Elephone having similar components may lend development into Vowney’s camp. Example if coders update drivers for M3 or P900Edge then they may compile same drivers for a new Vowney Rom. You can only hope though.

        The longer Elephone delay stock for more tempting it will be for customers to simply buy a X20 or X12 based phone as other companies are also announcing 21MP level camera phones.

        • balcobomber25
          January 19, 2016

          So basically you’re still in love with them despite being lied to and paying $300 for a phone that is worse than phones costing $200?

          Elephone delayed the Voweny for months because of costs, they aren’t making much money on each Vowney they sell. In fact they might even be losing money on each one. They are delaying in hopes of component prices dropping.

          There have always been questions with the software and build quality. Both are terrible on Elephone models. Amazing hardware is useless if the software is terrible meaning it’s not even close to a fantastic purchase.

          • E8hffff
            January 19, 2016

            I rate a camera on ability, not brand names. 2K screen is better than 1080p even if it’s got bezels. A sony 21MP camera component is better than a 13MP sony component.

            I think you need to visit http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/device-finder and dial up a modern phone and most of the displayed items are 500-800$ phones except for Vowney.

            • balcobomber25
              January 19, 2016

              You rate a camera based on MP’s you even just said it in your comment. A cameras ability relies upon a lot more than the sensors MP count. The display comes down to the actual display used not the resolution. A high quality 1080p display on a 5.5 inch phone will look better than a low quality 2k display on the same size, and it won’t use as much resources.

              We have been through this numerous times there are several phones with similar specs for $350 or less, all of them are better phones for the money.

            • E8hffff
              January 19, 2016

              You keep aiming for low resolution cams with colour trick or good sensor elements and I’ll aim for high res. It’s all a matter of choice.

            • balcobomber25
              January 19, 2016

              I am for good camera’s. High MP count doesn’t mean a good camera. My 13mp Vivo Xshot blows away your 21mp Vowney in every aspect. It’s a better overall camera.

            • Rob
              January 19, 2016

              Just ignore him as he needs to get this off he’s chest to make him feel better about the pile of crap he’s bought!

          • E8hffff
            January 19, 2016

            What is coming though is other companies are stepping up to compete with Vowney’s specs.

            • balcobomber25
              January 19, 2016

              The Vowney isn’t the first phone to release with these specs. Not even close to the first.

      • Muhammad Yasir
        January 19, 2016

        @balcobomber25:disqus wasnt the X12 a FAKE ?!

        as in , it doesnt exist at all ??

          • Muhammad Yasir
            January 19, 2016

            heart breaking , right ?

            • balcobomber25
              January 19, 2016

              Not really because MTK has some really good chips on the horizon like the P10 and X20 and the X10 is still a very good chip for the money.

            • Muhammad Yasir
              January 19, 2016

              ofcourse , the x10 is still quite the powerhouse !

              but i have another question. how come cpu-makers release SoCs in couples? (pardon me , but i have been here since Dec 2014 , so i might be missing out on older patterns that you may be aware of ) first it was 6732 and 6752 , then 6735 and 6753 … now p10 and x20 (i guess i lost track of where the x10 fits in … but u get the idea )

              so whats with the coupled releases. shoudnt it be like … 3 SoCs a time ? 1 for budget , 1 midrange and last for high end ?

            • balcobomber25
              January 19, 2016

              Each company has a roadmap for releasing SoC’s, they determine the roadmap based on current SoC’s, industry trends and market conditions. A variety of factors can determine when a SoC is or isn’t released some of which are out of their control (i.e. a problem at the plant that produces them, shortage of materials etc). Sometimes they do end up releasing in pair other times only one is released, other times they release multiple ones at the same time. The 6732 and 6752 both launched in Q1 2014 as budget and midrange SoC. At the time the 6595 was still the current high end SoC for MTK and was only a few months old and the X10 hadn’t entered mass production yet. The 6735 and 6753 were midlife “updates” for the 6732 and 6752. The 35 added world mode LTE and the 53 was underclocked so the X10 would have clear advantage. Below is a sample of a MTK roadmap.

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a2428d34447b6722e0c92f556cd7fcb094c768dd9da8f3eb72803e04a6d15209.jpg

            • Muhammad Yasir
              January 19, 2016

              thanks 🙂

              any roadmaps for 2016 for MTK and Qualcomm ?

  5. balcobomber25
    January 19, 2016

    Of the above list I would give it to Zoppo. Meizu has the closest relationship with Mediatek but given their release cycle of the MX(#) phones we wont see an Mx6 till at least May/June time frame. Elephone and Doogee are full of promises but often times they fall short of delivering But I would actually say it’s someone not listed above that will be the first to launch with it, HTC. And the reason I would say them is because they have worldwide availability and Mediatek wants to show their newest chip off to the masses. All the other brands are relatively unheard of outside of Asia.

    • E8hffff
      January 19, 2016

      The X20 wont be out still around May anyway, and then it takes a month or two for the likes of Elephone to get the production running.

      If Elephone sell a ton of P900/P9000 Lite’s they may have the buying power to get X20 fast.

      • balcobomber25
        January 19, 2016

        The X20 reportedly entered mass production in November meaning the first phones using it should be ready by February.

        Keep living your Elephone dream. First you are counting on the P9000 actually coming out in time, which given Elephone’s history isn’t looking good. Second you are counting on the P9000 being a problem free experience, last thing Mediatek wants is a premier phone that suffers from a myriad of issues. And third even if by some stroke of luck it does come out on time and is problem free, they would need to sell in the millions to even come close to the buying power of any of the larger companies.

        • E8hffff
          January 19, 2016

          That’s means the silicon process, and then the media and then spool/trays, then delivery, and suitable code support. You will only see demo models at MWC. Most manufacturers will have complete products in May onward.

          • balcobomber25
            January 19, 2016

            Again it all depends on when they actually entered production. Usually phones that are announced at MWC, are available for purchase anytime between March-May, depending on a variety of factors.

            • E8hffff
              January 19, 2016

              Pointless argument as it’s all relative to stock availability. Only customers of Mediatek know timelines.

            • balcobomber25
              January 19, 2016

              It’s not just customers of Mediatek, there are several others that have no direct contact with Mediatek that know the timelines but most of them sign some sort of confidentiality agreement so we never find out until it is officially announced.

    • realjjj
      January 19, 2016

      The MX5 is not great and likely selling poorly.

      They keep bundling extras with it and now they paying for MX4 to get people to upgrade. They need a refresh and chances are it is close.

      • balcobomber25
        January 19, 2016

        Do you have sales figures for the MX5 or is this all your opinion?

        • realjjj
          January 19, 2016

          My opinion based on price , specs, perf , competition and those Meizu actions i’ve mentioned. And that’s more then plenty for me to be rather accurate.
          Besides, they haven’t been on a 1 year pace. The MX4 was launched in early Sept 2014, the MX5 in late June 2015.

          • balcobomber25
            January 19, 2016

            So you have no facts to back up that claim. Got it. Now onto some real facts:

            – Meizu’s overall sales increased 350% from 2015 (20 million) to 2014 (4.4 million).
            – Over 5 million registered for the MX5 presale in China.
            – Snapdeal ran out of stock on day one in India.

            Without seeing actual sales numbers there is no way to tell either way, but the demand was out there for the phone.

            So they are on a 10 month pace, because that is a huge difference than a 1 year pace lol.

            • realjjj
              January 19, 2016

              You are being very rude and silly.
              As for Meizu’s sales in 2015, i knew them 1 year ago, rest assured i don’t need lessons from you.
              The bulk of their growth comes from the Meilan series. The MX5 has an X10, a crappy Pentile screen and a pretty high price for all that. You are better off with an MX4. You also refuse to see that them pulling all the available levers to increase sales is a sign that sales aren’t doing well for the MX5 and/or they are getting rid of excess inventory.
              I have reason to back me up, i urge you to get some too before engaging me again.

            • balcobomber25
              January 19, 2016

              The MX5 does have an X10 and that is one of the hottest SoC’s available today. Your opinion is that Pentile screens are crappy, a lot of people like them. The price when it released was equal to comparative phones. Again this is all opinion with absolutely no facts to back it up. You have a hard time separating your personal opinions and facts. I did like the empty (but hilarious) threat at the end of it. That was a good one!

      • Karly Johnston
        January 19, 2016

        Of course you are rght. The MX5 is very laggy and drops frames due to its weak gpu. Maybe the X20 can improve that but only 40% gain is still below the competition from last year.

    • Joel Adames
      January 19, 2016

      I would like to see Gionee put another kicker successor to the Elife E8 line in a Elife E9 :
      4Kmah+Battery
      MTK X20 SoC
      4gbRam
      Back-lit buttons this time
      And a bigger decoration ring around the camera cluster (at least bigger than the fingerprint reader module)

      To me that would be AWESOME

      THE FAST CHARGE FEATURE IS SO GOOD IT ALMOST EEERIE WHEN YOU PLUG IT IN AND JUST 20 MINUTES LATER IS UP TO A GOOD REAL 60-70%
      JUST THAT GREAT

  6. MaxPower
    January 19, 2016

    The first company to “launch” will be Elephone (and also the last company to start shipping)

    In my opinion the first available phone will be Zopo

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      LOL. Elephone will be the first to “announce”.

      • MaxPower
        January 19, 2016

        Lol, that’s what I meant

      • Muhammad Yasir
        January 19, 2016

        we should make a terminology for every ANNOUNCEMENT that is outrageously mistimed , is launched without an event and ships later than a snail hitching a piggy back on a tortoise

        its called “pulling a Vowney”

    • Muhammad Yasir
      January 19, 2016

      HAHAH

  7. Steven Fox
    January 19, 2016

    HAhaxha, I like how the memory segment also says 10 core CPU ahxhaxha.
    MTK is focusing again on the CPU performance as it raises the Antutu and Geekbench scores more than the better GPU and most people who are “in the dark” about what a GPU is and how it functions will eat it all up.
    In the end it`s gonna offer a Kirin 950 performance at 2/3 of the price, so it`s going to be a bargain, people 😀

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      For most people the CPU/GPU has more power than they will ever use at any given time. What people need to pay more attention to is the efficiency of each of these chips, but that doesn’t offer flash numbers to compare.

    • realjjj
      January 19, 2016

      Note Kirin 950 with it’s small GPU and 1080p screen in sustained perf http://www.anandtech.com/bench/PhoneTablet14/995
      X20 has a bit less perf, will still do better than SD810/808.
      Knowing doesn’t mean seeing a 1 minute benchmark and thinking that’s what you get.

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      hey come on now , don’t be a qualcomm fanboi !

    • Steven Fox
      January 20, 2016

      I`m not, it`s just that whoever did the sheet obviously made a mistake:D

    • Steven Fox
      January 20, 2016

      Will do better in the CPU department, but the GPU is maybe on par with SD808’s Adreno 418, but definitely not with Adreno 430.
      I would call it a good trade-off, as you use the CPU allot more and the chance that it probably won`t throttle down is great.
      Nothing coming in the next year on Android to push the graphics beyond what a Mali 880MP4 is capable, so you don`t have to worry about not being able to run a game smoothly.

    • Guest
      January 20, 2016

      chinese are v.fond of typos
      the least you can do is forgive 😀

  8. Rob
    January 19, 2016

    Interesting that none of the ‘big boys’ feature on this list. I think Zopo will be first but looking at all the rumored specs there seems to be a strong pattern emerging. 2K display, 21mp camera, 4GB RAM etc, seems to me that there is probably a single OEM going to manufacture the phones for all these brands so likely the main difference will be the software rather than the hardware.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      I think those are just becoming the standard specs for a phone like this, much like 3GB RAM, 1080p and 13mp (usually IMX 214) used to be the standard. I know a few of these are made by different OEM’s.

  9. Joel Adames
    January 19, 2016

    Regardless of what you guys say. I will hope for obvious reasons for DOOGEE and OUKITEL to come ASAP as they will be the cheapest options more so on the practical side if the K6000 pulls it off.
    Then again for chances of who could really come out with it first I’d say ZOPO.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      Cheapest isn’t always most practical, especially since both of those brands don’t have the best track record for quality and updates.

      • Muhammad Yasir
        January 19, 2016

        everyone can change !

      • Joel Adames
        January 19, 2016

        Of course they don’t but that’s why we are here hoping for those buggers to improve one day or have some enlightment moments very now and then as it did happen with the Ele M2 or the DG550 wich were great devices IMHO.

  10. Joel Adames
    January 19, 2016

    I don’t want to be mean, but there are too many words mistakes in this article. Please revise it for it to be more compelling. Some people really lose interest in reading material when editing is not very good.

    • Muhammad Yasir
      January 19, 2016

      ah yesh ! i was about to point that out … but the mention of companies working for p10 and x20 phones got me soo excited that i forgot 😀

  11. E8hffff
    January 19, 2016

    I’d probably like Oukitel to be first or near the first. If they bring out a X20 based phone with finger reader and NFC, and a bonus with IR diode, I’d be real happy. Obviously it would have to have 21/8MP+ camera arrangement.

    I was once a nay sayer on finger readers, but with bad economy and maybe usage of crypto currencies, the finger scanner maybe a level of security needed.

    Oukitel seems to be a solid company but a little slow to inform Customers of news.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      “Obviously it would have to have 21/8MP+ camera arrangement.”

      Even if they used the 16mp sensor (234/240) found on the Nubia Z9, LG G4 and Galaxy S6?

  12. E8hffff
    January 19, 2016

    Regarding who will be out first depends on stock numbers. If Mediatek can’t supply fast enough then stock will go to the big sellers first, like Xiaomi, Meizu, USA brands, etc. The alternative is if Mediatek can supply, then it will come down to who’s got the finances to purchase, then Elephone, Shallots, Zopo, and Doogee maybe last.

    Elephone if successfully on P10 based phones may raise enough industrial street cred and money to get Mediatek on-board early.

    Currently Elephone are burning their Vowney customers. Elephone should have canned the Vowney like they were contemplating last month. Then remodel it with USB3, IR diode and captive buttons, or replace it with the P9000 Edge.

    People are forgetting the Mediatek X12 will be a nice SoC too.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      The question is, will Elephone customers like you, finally realize how bad this company is? Or will you continue to get burned?

    • E8hffff
      January 19, 2016

      The Elephone Vowney is still a fantastic purchase regarding the hardware, but there are questions to the software support.

      Elephone has not kept their open source code policy.

      The Vowney is clearly being left behind with P9000 grabbing all the attention in house. I told people months back that Elephone was considering ditching the Vowney for the P9000 Edge but I think they struggled telling Retailers to cancel orders and refund. Elephone has persevered in releasing the Vowney in short supply and not giving it the manufacturing time to fulfil order quotas.

      In time with other phones from Elephone having similar components may lend development into Vowney’s camp. Example if coders update drivers for M3 or P900Edge then they may compile same drivers for a new Vowney Rom. You can only hope though.

      The longer Elephone delay stock for more tempting it will be for customers to simply buy a X20 or X12 based phone as other companies are also announcing 21MP level camera phones.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      So basically you’re still in love with them despite being lied to and paying $300 for a phone that is worse than phones costing $200?

      Elephone delayed the Voweny for months because of costs, they aren’t making much money on each Vowney they sell. In fact they might even be losing money on each one. They are delaying in hopes of component prices dropping.

      There have always been questions with the software and build quality. Both are terrible on Elephone models. Amazing hardware is useless if the software is terrible meaning it’s not even close to a fantastic purchase.

    • E8hffff
      January 19, 2016

      I rate a camera on ability, not brand names. 2K screen is better than 1080p even if it’s got bezels. A sony 21MP camera component is better than a 13MP sony component.

      I think you need to visit http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/device-finder and dial up a modern phone and most of the displayed items are 500-800$ phones except for Vowney.

    • E8hffff
      January 19, 2016

      What is coming though is other companies are stepping up to compete with Vowney’s specs.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      The Vowney isn’t the first phone to release with these specs. Not even close to the first. And most of these companies don’t even view it as a competitor.

      Phones are coming out with better specs, because that’s what happens every year. Has zero to do with your beloved Elephone.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      You rate a camera based on MP’s you even just said it in your comment. A cameras ability relies upon a lot more than the sensors MP count. In fact the sensor size is a lot more important than the MP count.

      The display comes down to the actual display used not the resolution. A high quality 1080p display on a 5.5 inch phone will look better than a low quality 2k display on the same size, and it won’t use as much resources.

      We have been through this numerous times there are several phones with similar specs for $350 or less, all of them are better phones for the money.

    • E8hffff
      January 19, 2016

      You keep aiming for low resolution cams with colour trick or good sensor elements and I’ll aim for high res. It’s all a matter of choice.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      I am for good camera’s. High MP count doesn’t mean a good camera. My 13mp Vivo Xshot blows away your 21mp Vowney in every aspect. It’s a better overall camera. It’s not some magic “colour trick” that makes it better, it’s better overall components and better software. A 16mp DSLR takes better photos than a 24mp point and shoot camera. Because it uses much better components. Comparing MP’s is like comparing horsepower to determine what is the best engine.

    • Rob
      January 19, 2016

      Just ignore him as he needs to get this off he’s chest to make him feel better about the pile of crap he’s bought!

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      @balcobomber25:disqus wasnt the X12 a FAKE ?!

      as in , it doesnt exist at all ??

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      heart breaking , right ?

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      Not really because MTK has some really good chips on the horizon like the P10 and X20 and the X10 is still a very good chip for the money.

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      ofcourse , the x10 is still quite the powerhouse !

      but i have another question. how come cpu-makers release SoCs in couples? (pardon me , but i have been here since Dec 2014 , so i might be missing out on older patterns that you may be aware of ) first it was 6732 and 6752 , then 6735 and 6753 … now p10 and x20 (i guess i lost track of where the x10 fits in … but u get the idea )

      so whats with the coupled releases. shoudnt it be like … 3 SoCs a time ? 1 for budget , 1 midrange and last for high end ?

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      Each company has a roadmap for releasing SoC’s, they determine the roadmap based on current SoC’s, industry trends and market conditions. A variety of factors can determine when a SoC is or isn’t released some of which are out of their control (i.e. a problem at the plant that produces them, shortage of materials etc). Sometimes they do end up releasing in pair other times only one is released, other times they release multiple ones at the same time. The 6732 and 6752 both launched in Q1 2014 as budget and midrange SoC. At the time the 6595 was still the current high end SoC for MTK and was only a few months old and the X10 hadn’t entered mass production yet. The 6735 and 6753 were midlife “updates” for the 6732 and 6752. The 35 added world mode LTE and the 53 was underclocked so the X10 would have clear advantage. Below is a sample of a MTK roadmap.

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      thanks 🙂

      any roadmaps for 2016 for MTK and Qualcomm ?

  13. Tremaine Underwood
    January 19, 2016

    Not sure which one will be first, but I am interested in the Oukitel K6000 Premium. This one of the first I have seen to combine a high performance phone and a large battery.

    • Muhammad Yasir
      January 19, 2016

      im equally or even more excited on this one !
      just hope the price is friendly !

      • Joel Adames
        January 19, 2016

        The price will be adequate I will not expect it to be mind boggling as DOOGEE claims their F7 will be but something nice.

      • Mr.Flying Zoom3rz
        March 4, 2016

        I don’t have my hopes high. 🙁 Probably over $300

  14. balcobomber25
    January 19, 2016

    Of the above list I would give it to Zoppo. Meizu has the closest relationship with Mediatek but given their release cycle of the MX(#) phones we wont see an Mx6 till at least May/June time frame. Elephone and Doogee are full of promises but often times they fall short of delivering But I would actually say it’s someone not listed above that will be the first to launch with it, HTC. And the reason I would say them is because they have worldwide availability and Mediatek wants to show their newest chip off to the masses. All the other brands are relatively unheard of outside of Asia.

    • E8hffff
      January 19, 2016

      The X20 wont be out still around May anyway, and then it takes a month or two for the likes of Elephone to get the production running.

      If Elephone sell a ton of P900/P9000 Lite’s they may have the buying power to get X20 fast.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      Reportedly the X20 has already entered mass production, but it’s tough to say as this information is usually a closely guarded secret. We will find out at MWC in February. That is when the first X20 phones will be announced.

      Keep living your Elephone dream. First you are counting on the P9000 actually coming out in time, which given Elephone’s history isn’t looking good. Second you are counting on the P9000 being a problem free experience, last thing Mediatek wants is a premier phone that suffers from a myriad of issues. And third even if by some stroke of luck it does come out on time and is problem free, they would need to sell in the millions to even come close to the buying power of any of the larger companies.

    • E8hffff
      January 19, 2016

      That’s means the silicon process, and then the media and then spool/trays, then delivery, and suitable code support. You will only see demo models at MWC. Most manufacturers will have complete products in May onward.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      Again it all depends on when they actually entered production. Usually phones that are announced at MWC, are available for purchase anytime between March-May, depending on a variety of factors.

    • E8hffff
      January 19, 2016

      Pointless argument as it’s all relative to stock availability. Only customers of Mediatek know timelines.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      It’s not just customers of Mediatek, there are several others that have no direct contact with Mediatek that know the timelines but most of them sign some sort of confidentiality agreement so we never find out until it is officially announced.

    • realjjj
      January 19, 2016

      The MX5 is not great and likely selling poorly.

      They keep bundling extras with it and now they paying for MX4 to get people to upgrade. They need a refresh and chances are it is close.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      Do you have sales figures for the MX5 or is this all your opinion?

    • Joel Adames
      January 19, 2016

      I would like to see Gionee put another kicker successor to the Elife E8 line in a Elife E9 :
      4Kmah+Battery
      MTK X20 SoC
      4gbRam
      Back-lit buttons this time
      And a bigger decoration ring around the camera cluster (at least bigger than the fingerprint reader module)

      To me that would be AWESOME

      THE FAST CHARGE FEATURE IS SO GOOD IT ALMOST EEERIE WHEN YOU PLUG IT IN AND JUST 20 MINUTES LATER IS UP TO A GOOD REAL 60-70%
      JUST THAT GREAT

    • realjjj
      January 20, 2016

      My opinion based on price , specs, perf , competition and those Meizu actions i’ve mentioned. And that’s more then plenty for me to be rather accurate.
      Besides, they haven’t been on a 1 year pace. The MX4 was launched in early Sept 2014, the MX5 in late June 2015.

    • balcobomber25
      January 20, 2016

      So you have no facts to back up that claim. Got it. Now onto some real facts:

      – Meizu’s overall sales increased 350% from 2015 (20 million) to 2014 (4.4 million).
      – Over 5 million registered for the MX5 presale in China.
      – Snapdeal ran out of stock on day one in India.

      Without seeing actual sales numbers there is no way to tell either way, but the demand was out there for the phone.

      So they are on a 10 month pace, because that is a huge difference than a 1 year pace lol.

    • realjjj
      January 20, 2016

      You are being very rude and silly.
      As for Meizu’s sales in 2015, i knew them 1 year ago, rest assured i don’t need lessons from you.
      The bulk of their growth comes from the Meilan series. The MX5 has an X10, a crappy Pentile screen and a pretty high price for all that. You are better off with an MX4. You also refuse to see that them pulling all the available levers to increase sales is a sign that sales aren’t doing well for the MX5 and/or they are getting rid of excess inventory.
      I have reason to back me up, i urge you to get some too before engaging me again.

    • balcobomber25
      January 20, 2016

      The MX5 does have an X10 and that is one of the hottest SoC’s available today. Your opinion is that Pentile screens are crappy, a lot of people like them. The price when it released was equal to comparative phones. Again this is all opinion with absolutely no facts to back it up. You have a hard time separating your personal opinions and facts. I did like the empty (but hilarious) threat at the end of it. That was a good one!

    • Karly Johnston
      January 20, 2016

      Of course you are rght. The MX5 is very laggy and drops frames due to its weak gpu. Maybe the X20 can improve that but only 40% gain is still below the competition from last year.

  15. MaxPower
    January 19, 2016

    The first company to “launch” will be Elephone (and also the last company to start shipping)

    In my opinion the first available phone will be Zopo

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      LOL. Elephone will be the first to “announce”.

    • MaxPower
      January 19, 2016

      Lol, that’s what I meant

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      HAHAH

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      we should make a terminology for every ANNOUNCEMENT that is outrageously mistimed , is launched without an event and ships later than a snail hitching a piggy back on a tortoise

      its called “pulling a Vowney”

  16. Muhammad Yasir
    January 19, 2016

    Damn sure as hell it’ll be either Zopo or Doogee , since they have got it going for this CPU. MWC will be a true spectacle to watch but im afraid Doogee might just embarrass themselves on a MASSIVE international platform!

    coming down to who I favor for the x20 , comes down to 2 homies. namely Oukitel and Shallots. superb build quality has been a consistent mainstay of Oukitel phone and alhto their camera optimization needs a hell lot of work , im sure they’ll work something out for the K6000 premium , which is a gem i have my eyes on!

    Shallots , altho truly slowpokes , offer some OUTRAGEOUS prices on phones bundled with highly impressive hardware ! im v.excited to see they are planning well for the future with an x20 equipped mobile !

    interestingly , the last bit about Blackview , Cubot , Bluboo and co really got me excited , with the P10 phones they are working on. I fully expect to see one HELLUVA price war this year but more so , companies focusing more on software aspects of their phones , especially timely and persistent OTAs , Camera algo optimization , ROM optimization and decent camera setup ( good lens , good sensors , dual tone flashes , the right aperture size , reasonable zoom , OIS , PDAF , laser autofocus , temperature compensation and 6p lens setup should be normal service and order of the day for big and small phone makers alike !)

    i full and well hope to see some market disrupting and outrageously priced phones in late Q1 and early to mid Q2 2016 with P10 and X20 !

    • realjjj
      January 19, 2016

      Doogee and Zopo are active in Spain ,there was no way they would miss MWC.
      Spain and it’s economic problems is a good market for budget phones.

  17. livefromlag
    January 19, 2016

    40% more preformance than g6200? R.I.P.

    • Karly Johnston
      January 19, 2016

      GPU still wouldn’t be on the level of the 808 or 650.

  18. smartswiat.com
    January 19, 2016

    “Mediatek really delivered with some solid chipsets culminating in the Helio X10, while Qualcomm had a few issues (SD615 and SD820).” I think you 810 😉

    • Muhammad Yasir
      January 19, 2016

      yep. ANOTHER typo!

      • smartswiat.com
        January 19, 2016

        I happens, I understand 😉

        • smartswiat.com
          January 19, 2016

          see…. happened again. Too me.

  19. realjjj
    January 19, 2016

    One small detail most failed to notice is that they seems to be using a newer A72 revision http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4905635?baseline=4630896
    So over the SD650 in Geekbench, the big cores got a 40% clock advantage and another 10% from the newer core.
    Over Kirin 950, ofc just 2 big cores but a slight clock advantage and a gain from the newer core. So in integer and FP seems they got about 25% advantage.
    Vs SD820 the big cores almost match it in FP and is some 15% ahead in integer. SD820 does have a crazy high memory score while the X20 does just ok but that ok is plenty better than Exynos 7420. SD820 does have 2 more big cores but those are clocked lower so should score some 1.4-1.5k in integer and FP,.
    Remains to be seen when it arrives and if it is priced well.

  20. Joel Adames
    January 19, 2016

    Regardless of what you guys say. I will hope for obvious reasons for DOOGEE and OUKITEL to come ASAP as they will be the cheapest options more so on the practical side if the K6000 pulls it off.
    Then again for chances of who could really come out with it first I’d say ZOPO.

    • balcobomber25
      January 19, 2016

      Cheapest isn’t always most practical, especially since both of those brands don’t have the best track record for quality and updates.

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      everyone can change !

    • Joel Adames
      January 19, 2016

      Of course they don’t but that’s why we are here hoping for those buggers to improve one day or have some enlightment moments very now and then as it did happen with the Ele M2 or the DG550 wich were great devices IMHO.

  21. Joel Adames
    January 19, 2016

    I don’t want to be mean, but there are too many words mistakes in this article. Please revise it for it to be more compelling. Some people really lose interest in reading material when editing is not very good.

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      ah yesh ! i was about to point that out … but the mention of companies working for p10 and x20 phones got me soo excited that i forgot 😀

  22. roni24
    January 19, 2016

    Meizu

  23. Tremaine Underwood
    January 19, 2016

    Not sure which one will be first, but I am interested in the Oukitel K6000 Premium. This one of the first I have seen to combine a high performance phone and a large battery.

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      im equally or even more excited on this one !
      just hope the price is friendly !

    • Joel Adames
      January 19, 2016

      The price will be adequate I will not expect it to be mind boggling as DOOGEE claims their F7 will be but something nice.

    • Mr.Flying Zoom3rz
      March 4, 2016

      I don’t have my hopes high. 🙁 Probably over $300

  24. Guest
    January 19, 2016

    Damn sure as hell it’ll be either Zopo or Doogee , since they have got it going for this CPU. MWC will be a true spectacle to watch but im afraid Doogee might just embarrass themselves on a MASSIVE international platform!

    coming down to who I favor for the x20 , comes down to 2 homies. namely Oukitel and Shallots. superb build quality has been a consistent mainstay of Oukitel phones and altho their camera optimization needs a hell lot of work , im sure they’ll work something out for the K6000 premium , which is a gem i have my eyes on!

    Shallots , altho truly slowpokes , offer some OUTRAGEOUS prices on phones bundled with highly impressive hardware ! im v.excited to see they are planning well for the future with an x20 equipped mobile !

    interestingly , the last bit about Blackview , Cubot , Bluboo and co really got me excited , with the P10 phones they are working on. I fully expect to see one HELLUVA price war this year but more so , companies focusing more on software aspects of their phones , especially timely and persistent OTAs , Camera algo optimization , ROM optimization and decent camera setup ( good lens , good sensors , dual tone flashes , the right aperture size , reasonable zoom , OIS , PDAF , laser autofocus , temperature compensation and 6p lens setup should be normal service and order of the day for big and small phone makers alike !)

    i full and well hope to see some market disrupting and outrageously priced phones in late Q1 and early to mid Q2 2016 with P10 and X20 !

    • realjjj
      January 20, 2016

      Doogee and Zopo are active in Spain ,there was no way they would miss MWC.
      Spain and it’s economic problems is a good market for budget phones.

  25. livefromlag
    January 19, 2016

    40% more preformance than g6200? R.I.P.

    • Karly Johnston
      January 20, 2016

      GPU still wouldn’t be on the level of the 808 or 650.

  26. Guest
    January 19, 2016

    “Mediatek really delivered with some solid chipsets culminating in the Helio X10, while Qualcomm had a few issues (SD615 and SD820).” I think you 810 😉

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      yep. ANOTHER typo!

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      I happens, I understand 😉

    • Guest
      January 19, 2016

      see…. happened again. Too me.

  27. realjjj
    January 19, 2016

    One small detail most failed to notice is that they seems to be using a newer A72 revision http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4905635?baseline=4630896
    So over the SD650 in Geekbench, the big cores got a 40% clock advantage and another 10% from the newer core.
    Over Kirin 950, ofc just 2 big cores but a slight clock advantage and a gain from the newer core. So in integer and FP seems they got about 25% advantage.
    Vs SD820 the big cores almost match it in FP and is some 15% ahead in integer. SD820 does have a crazy high memory score while the X20 does just ok but that ok is plenty better than Exynos 7420. SD820 does have 2 more big cores but those are clocked lower so should score some 1.4-1.5k in integer and FP,.
    Remains to be seen when it arrives and if it is priced well.

  28. Guest
    January 19, 2016

    Meizu

  29. shmox
    January 20, 2016

    Adidas

  30. Guest
    January 20, 2016

    Adidas

  31. Allanitomwesh
    January 22, 2016

    Announcing is one thing,having them in shops is another. My money is on Meizu actually having the chip in shops first.

  32. Allanitomwesh
    January 22, 2016

    Announcing is one thing,having them in shops is another. My money is on Meizu actually having the chip in shops first.

  33. Stanislavla
    April 24, 2016

    https://youtu.be/g5SoMbITYH4

    OUKITEL K6000 Premium with Mediatek Helio X20 and 6GB RAM

  34. Stanislavla
    April 24, 2016

    OUKITEL K6000 Premium with Mediatek Helio X20 and 6GB RAM