Chinese Xiaomi fans will soon have the option to buy the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 with Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 chipset.
New details from TENAA in China have revealed an updated version of the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 which has had the Mediatek Helio X10 processor replaced with a Snapdragon 808 chipset.
The details confirm this new version of the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 will feature the same alloy body, rear fingerprint scanner and even come in the same three colour options (gold, sliver and grey) as the current Mediatek versions.
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Best of all is that TENAA lists the phone with support for WCDMA and FDD LTE network support meaning that the Snapdragon 808 version of the Xiaomi Redmi Note 3 could be sold through resellers to international customers.
One benefit of a Qualcomm powered Redmi Note 3 might be an unlocked boot loader on the phone. Customers buying the current Mediatek version have been disappointed to realise their phones do not have an unlocked boot loader.
If you had the choice between a Mediatek or Qualcomm powered Redmi note 3 which would you choose?
ofc majority may go with 808 …
but depends on price difference
i was very surprised to read on Yash post that the Note3 had the bootloader locked and there was no option to get into the recovery.
So is this a Mediatek issue?
if so then they better fix it soon otherwise they won’t have any chance outside china.
A Note3 with SD808 can also sell in India, and I’m expecting huge numbers here.
If i have the choice between the 2 SoCs at the same price I would probably go for the Snapdragon version due to its big.LITTLE configuration that might help with power management. otherwise the 2 Socs are pretty much comparable.
You ask for a unlock code on a official website & they send it to you, naturally warenty is void if you unlock boot loader.
In couple of months their will even be a generator for codes so that you can go unofficial. It’s even possible to lock boot loader back if you wish (with ADB) but message will be different so they will know it whose been unlocked.
Bootloader state doesn’t have anything to do with a preferred choice of SoC. It’s a company’s policy.
MTK also have a core pilot that is a pandan of big litle or a cluster governor to call it like that.
Best regards.
knowing that you are an expert of SoC, then my question is:
if you had the choice to pick one or the other at the same price which one would you pick and for what reasons?
Would pick a QC even I don’t like S808 all that much. Reasons: open stock (CAF) insurance of longevity suport, better cellular radio (meaning better battery life out of WiFi connection).
Their is also one advantage of the X10 over S808 & that is a better multitasking even S808 is faster in running apps.
Actuality now when it’s almost at the brick of down I would wait for S652 powered models & already have my favorite (if they don’t fuck up something) it’s gonna be a Alcatel Idol 4 as Idol 3 5.5 whose a fantastic phone. I like in country service & TCL behind the Alcatel, I also like a quality built in stereo speakers & I guess JLB’s in ear earphones will be good for a most folks (at least they are better then other garbage you get with a phone). Still we need to see would Idol 4 be at least good as Idol 3 5.5.
let’s say something goes wrong with the software and you need to get into recovery, or let’s say you want to do a factory reset for any reasons… you ask for a code and then your phone is out of warranty?
don’t you think this is silly?
why the same company would adopt for a locked bootloader policy on their MTK variant and do differently for the exact same phone just with a different SoC?
help me understand this please.
When I say it’s a company’s policy then I mean that all future models will come with it.
You have access to the stock recovery with locked boot loader & you still can get a firmware & flash it manually from internal storage or SD card. ADB will work one side (to read or extract thing out of the phone).
This is nothing new in to practice of manufacturers.
then you probably missed the article of Yash Garg about the Note3 bug related to child mode and he couldn’t get into recovery due to an unlocked bootloader.
With unlocked boot loader it’s not of a much problem if their is a costume one to flash.
that could be an indian version..!
That probably is Xiaomi Kenzo.
https://www.gizchina.com/2015/12/11/xiaomi-kenzo-leaked-is-this-the-redmi-3/
I can assure you that 99% of Xioami buyer don’t even know what a bootloader is…They care even less if it’s locked or not. What Xioami buyer care more is the price and features offered.
I can assure you 90% of the people that import Xiaomi knows what a bootloader is.
No way that’s SD808, it’s SD650. Nice and all but too many versions for Redmi Note in just a few months.
That would be even better, as thr SD 650 will be better than the 808 in almost every way. I’m down with buying an SD 650 3GB Ram phone even if it costs 280$!
Yes it would be better and cheaper,that’s why no way it’s 808, 808 makes no sense anymore.
It is likely however with just 2GB of RAM, there was a Xiaomi kenzo that showed up in Geekbench with SD650 and just 2GB and it’s likely this device. 2GB is not ideal,especially now when DRAM is cheap. Hopefully the price is 200$ or less.
No problem with just 2GB of RAM. Have a 3GB device now and most of the time 1.5 GB of more is free anyway.
On a 2GB MIUI device you are lucky to have 800MB free at startup.
The 808 has a better gpu than the 650 so it still remains higher on the food chain. It also has 20nm fab vs 28nm which means better power efficiency.
Except it’s broken and everything throttles hard, including the GPU, nobody should buy a device with it. Being on 20nm and with extras that matter less to the user is a disadvantage vs 650 because it just costs more.
28nm is as mature as it gets and many foundries offer it so pricing is rather good.
You are forgetting the 615 was made on the same fab and was a laggy overheating pos. You also confuse the 808 with the 810. It didn’t throttle and is a solid option for upper mid-range phones. The 650 is unkown how it will perform in real world usage and QC will undoubtedly do something to cripple it to keep it a budget chip.
I am not confusing anything, you just got lost in marketing. SD808 throttles hard.
Yes the 615 is a PoS too but the 650 is very different from 615 and 808 and there is no indication so far that the 650 has problems.
The 650 is likely to be clocked at just 1.7GHz, slightly bellow the 1.8 GHz for the 652 even if it’s listed at 1.8 for now.
Here a few links showing how 808 behaves under load
Scroll down to the Sustained perf section http://www.anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/3
Scroll down to Device Thermals section and check out the 2 devices with 808 http://www.anandtech.com/show/9820/the-google-nexus-6p-review/4
And GPU behavior (granted it doesn’t drop by 50% like some high end SoCs but it’s bad enough) http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9742/yryrsanhai.PNG
This breaks it down, 808 throttles less than both 810 and 7420.
http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-808-vs-810-overheating-test-605273
For continuous use under load, the 808 was the most stable chipset of 2015.
lol you must own a device with 808, way too desperate to defend it no matter what.
i’ve tried to help you get informed but there is no point . so spend your money as you wish.
Believe what you want, I am looking to see how the Cortex A72s will perform in real world use.
This one could be for India.
That would make the most sense, to me, since, as I understand it, the legal troubles with Ericsson that a lot of manufacturers have encountered in India have come about through the use of MediaTek chipsets.
Exactly my point.
Now the launch dates need to be announced. Won’t be surprised if it is going to Jan 4 or 5.
Even at this time, 808 is too much of a flagship SoC to be put in a Redmi device, which are targeted more as an affordable lineup. And seeing Xiaomi’s current “love” for India, I highly doubt this would come here anytime soon. But the hope’s still there. Oh, be still my heart…
Why should it come with an unlocked bootloader? It’s not Mediatek’s fault after all. Xiaomi claims this has been done to further enhance security of the data stored on the phone, so I expect all future Xiaomi devices to come with a locked bootloader. Anyway, unlocking it is fairly easy and there is an official way to do it, so anyone in the need of an unlocked bootloader won’t have any issues unlocking it.
what about warranty?
will this void the phone warranty?
No
Just root
WCDMA means the U.S. If this turns out to be true, then phone could be used with any carrier in the U.S., ATT& T-mobile or Verizon & Sprint. Like the Nexus 6P.
Since I cracked my screen and know I will never see the Ubik Uno that I crowd funded on Kickstarter, I need a phone. Was looking at the 6P but so expensive, and then the P9000 but a phone like this purported Note 3 would solve a big problem for me. Hope more specs come out soon.
This is good news for India..as Yash surmises, surely Xiaomi is eyeing India with this..now only for addition of Sd. Expansion slot. (Mah wishful thinking guys !) Surely Lenovo Note K4 is in Xiaomi Gun sight.
Do you use WCDMA in India?
even in india we have wcdma!!
No China phone will ever work with Sprint or Verizon. That should be well known fact by now.
Now, if only Xiaomi can sell this SD808 based model for around $200, it will be the hottest selling smartphone anywhere!
Yeah, everyone and their dog will get one. I doubt that it will sell for less than the Mi4c though.
ofc majority may go with 808 …
but depends on price difference
i was very surprised to read on Yash post that the Note3 had the bootloader locked and there was no option to get into the recovery.
So is this a Mediatek issue?
if so then they better fix it soon otherwise they won’t have any chance outside china.
A Note3 with SD808 can also sell in India, and I’m expecting huge numbers here.
If i have the choice between the 2 SoCs at the same price I would probably go for the Snapdragon version due to its big.LITTLE configuration that might help with power management. otherwise the 2 Socs are pretty much comparable.
You ask for a unlock code on a official website & they send it to you, naturally warenty is void if you unlock boot loader.
In couple of months their will even be a generator for codes so that you can go unofficial. It’s even possible to lock boot loader back if you wish (with ADB) but message will be different so they will know it whose been unlocked.
Bootloader state doesn’t have anything to do with a preferred choice of SoC. It’s a company’s policy.
MTK also have a core pilot that is a pandan of big litle or a cluster governor to call it like that.
Best regards.
knowing that you are an expert of SoC, then my question is:
if you had the choice to pick one or the other at the same price which one would you pick and for what reasons?
let’s say something goes wrong with the software and you need to get into recovery, or let’s say you want to do a factory reset for any reasons… you ask for a code and then your phone is out of warranty?
don’t you think this is silly?
why the same company would adopt for a locked bootloader policy on their MTK variant and do differently for the exact same phone just with a different SoC?
help me understand this please.
When I say it’s a company’s policy then I mean that all future models will come with it.
You have access to the stock recovery with locked boot loader & you still can get a firmware & flash it manually from internal storage or SD card. ADB will work one side (to read or extract thing out of the phone).
This is nothing new in to practice of manufacturers.
then you probably missed the article of Yash Garg about the Note3 bug related to child mode and he couldn’t get into recovery due to an unlocked bootloader.
http://www.gizchina.com/2015/12/23/how-to-fix-xiaomi-redmi-note-3-child-mode-stuck/
“…there’s no access to recovery on the Redmi Note 3 by default”
in the comment section Christopher Straßer wrote:
“You need to unlock the Bootloader to access”
With unlocked boot loader it’s not of a much problem if their is a costume one to flash.
Would pick a QC even I don’t like S808 all that much. Reasons: open stock (CAF) insurance of longevity suport, better cellular radio (meaning better battery life out of WiFi connection).
Their is also one advantage of the X10 over S808 & that is a better multitasking even S808 is faster in running apps.
Actuality now when it’s almost at the brick of down I would wait for S652 powered models & already have my favorite (if they don’t fuck up something) it’s gonna be a Alcatel Idol 4 as Idol 3 5.5″ whose a fantastic phone. I like in country services & TCL behind the Alcatel, I also like a quality built in stereo speakers & I guess JLB’s in ear earphones will be good for a most folks (at least they are better then other garbage you get with a phone). Still we need to see would Idol 4 be at least good as Idol 3 5.5″.
that could be an indian version..!
That probably is Xiaomi Kenzo.
http://www.gizchina.com/2015/12/11/xiaomi-kenzo-leaked-is-this-the-redmi-3/
I can assure you that 99% of Xioami buyer don’t even know what a bootloader is…They care even less if it’s locked or not. What Xioami buyer care more is the price and features offered.
I can assure you 90% of the people that import Xiaomi knows what a bootloader is.
No way that’s SD808, it’s SD650. Nice and all but too many versions for Redmi Note in just a few months.
That would be even better, as thr SD 650 will be better than the 808 in almost every way. I’m down with buying an SD 650 3GB Ram phone even if it costs 280$!
Yes it would be better and cheaper,that’s why no way it’s 808, 808 makes no sense anymore.
It is likely however with just 2GB of RAM, there was a Xiaomi kenzo that showed up in Geekbench with SD650 and just 2GB and it’s likely this device. 2GB is not ideal,especially now when DRAM is cheap. Hopefully the price is 200$ or less.
No problem with just 2GB of RAM. Have a 3GB device now and most of the time 1.5 GB of more is free anyway.
The 808 has a better gpu than the 650 so it still remains higher on the food chain. It also has 20nm fab vs 28nm which means better power efficiency.
On a 2GB MIUI device you are lucky to have 800MB free at startup.
Except it’s broken and everything throttles hard, including the GPU, nobody should buy a device with it. Being on 20nm and with extras that matter less to the user is a disadvantage vs 650 because it just costs more.
28nm is as mature as it gets and many foundries offer it so pricing is rather good.
808 is a defective midranger and that’s that.
Here look at 808 vs a functional SoC, the results range for 808 is just ridiculous
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/chart?q=model%3A%22Xiaomi+Mi-4c%22
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/chart?q=model%3A%22Xiaomi+Redmi+Note+3%22
You are forgetting the 615 was made on the same fab and was a laggy overheating pos. You also confuse the 808 with the 810. It didn’t throttle and is a solid option for upper mid-range phones. The 650 is unkown how it will perform in real world usage and QC will undoubtedly do something to cripple it to keep it a budget chip.
I am not confusing anything, you just got lost in marketing. SD808 throttles hard.
Yes the 615 is a PoS too but the 650 is very different from 615 and 808 and there is no indication so far that the 650 has problems.
The 650 is likely to be clocked at just 1.7GHz, slightly bellow the 1.8 GHz for the 652 even if it’s listed at 1.8 for now.
Here a few links showing how 808 behaves under load
Scroll down to the Sustained perf section http://www.anandtech.com/show/9742/the-google-nexus-5x-review/3
Scroll down to Device Thermals section and check out the 2 devices with 808 ( only 2 cores are loaded for all the SoCs there) http://www.anandtech.com/show/9820/the-google-nexus-6p-review/4
And GPU behavior (granted it doesn’t drop by 50% like some high end SoCs but it’s bad enough)
While at it , you can also look at this and note the wattage for the SD801 since it’s likely very similar to what SD65x gets (just a bit updated vs 801) http://www.anandtech.com/show/9330/exynos-7420-deep-dive/7
This breaks it down, 808 throttles less than both 810 and 7420.
http://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-808-vs-810-overheating-test-605273
For continuous use under load, the 808 was the most stable chipset of 2015.
lol you must own a device with 808, way too desperate to defend it no matter what.
i’ve tried to help you get informed but there is no point . so spend your money as you wish.
Believe what you want, I am looking to see how the Cortex A72s will perform in real world use.
This one could be for India.
That would make the most sense, to me, since, as I understand it, the legal troubles with Ericsson that a lot of manufacturers have encountered in India have come about through the use of MediaTek chipsets.
Exactly my point.
Now the launch dates need to be announced. Won’t be surprised if it is going to Jan 4 or 5.
Even at this time, 808 is too much of a flagship SoC to be put in a Redmi device, which are targeted more as an affordable lineup. And seeing Xiaomi’s current “love” for India, I highly doubt this would come here anytime soon. But the hope’s still there. Oh, be still my heart…
Why should it come with an unlocked bootloader? It’s not Mediatek’s fault after all. Xiaomi claims this has been done to further enhance security of the data stored on the phone, so I expect all future Xiaomi devices to come with a locked bootloader. Anyway, unlocking it is fairly easy and there is an official way to do it, so anyone in the need of an unlocked bootloader won’t have any issues unlocking it.
what about warranty?
will this void the phone warranty?
No
Just root
GSM only.
This is good news for India..as Yash surmises, surely Xiaomi is eyeing India with this..now only for addition of Sd. Expansion slot. (Mah wishful thinking guys !) Surely Lenovo Note K4 is in Xiaomi Gun sight.
Sorry. Confusing WCDMA with CDMA, which is what Verizon and Sprint use in the U.S.
even in india we have wcdma!!
No China phone will ever work with Sprint or Verizon. That should be well known fact by now.
this with 3gb ram variant and 4000mah battery is a dream come true. Else im going for the mi4c
Now, if only Xiaomi can sell this SD808 based model for around $200, it will be the hottest selling smartphone anywhere!
Yeah, everyone and their dog will get one. I doubt that it will sell for less than the Mi4c though.
this with 3gb ram variant and 4000mah battery is a dream come true. Else im going for the mi4c
Quallcomm ofcourse, this is tje drawback of the current one, the mediatek processor. Take that away and put a decent Snapdragon in it and you got me.
Quallcomm ofcourse, this is tje drawback of the current one, the mediatek processor. Take that away and put a decent Snapdragon in it and you got me.
good job it will be nice if price @ $230
When is the release of Redmi note 3 snapdragon 808? Thanks
good job it will be nice if price @ $230
When is the release of Redmi note 3 snapdragon 808? Thanks
it may be for the indian market!! but honestly i know myself tons of mi fans who are waiting for the lenovo k4 note since xiaomi have been fooling the indian customers.!! :/
i doubt pricing is going to play the major role in india .!! too late by xiaomi..:/
i even doubt whether they would release the same as the last phone they released a week back is the redmi note (1st edition) prime with snapdragon 410..:/
people dont know this but a lot of more powerful versions of chinese phones stay in china 128gb versions etc etc
snapdragon for quick charge 2.0 with the possibility to charge 60% of the battery in 35min
it may be for the indian market!! but honestly i know myself tons of mi fans who are waiting for the lenovo k4 note since xiaomi have been fooling the indian customers.!! :/
i doubt pricing is going to play the major role in india .!! too late by xiaomi..:/
i even doubt whether they would release the same as the last phone they released a week back is the redmi note (1st edition) prime with snapdragon 410..:/
I would prefer the Snapdragon 808. I tried the Redmi Note 2, horrible battery life, thanks to the inefficient Helio X10. Xiaomi tried to address this problem by sticking in a bigger battery for the Note 3 but maybe that wasn’t enough so now they are changing processors. Worrying trend for Mediatek if that is the case.
Or it could be the MIUI. Xiaomi phones don’t score phenomenal results in battery life anyway, and I’ve seen phones with same processor last longer than the Redmi Note 2.
people dont know this but a lot of more powerful versions of chinese phones stay in china 128gb versions etc etc
snapdragon for quick charge 2.0 with the possibility to charge 60% of the battery in 35min
I would prefer the Snapdragon 808. I tried the Redmi Note 2, horrible battery life, thanks to the inefficient Helio X10. Xiaomi tried to address this problem by sticking in a bigger battery for the Note 3 but maybe that wasn’t enough so now they are changing processors. Worrying trend for Mediatek if that is the case.
Or it could be the MIUI. Xiaomi phones don’t score phenomenal results in battery life anyway, and I’ve seen phones with same processor last longer than the Redmi Note 2.
Just like the Mi4c was sold internationally? That means no LTE folks.
Just like the Mi4c was sold internationally? That means no LTE folks.
Any news here? How long does it usually take from TEENA certification till you can buy the product?
Any news here? How long does it usually take from TEENA certification till you can buy the product?